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Quote from: Bango skank on January 30, 2020, 08:10:43 PMQuote from: bigtex on January 30, 2020, 05:46:03 PMQuote from: the1rod on January 30, 2020, 03:11:50 PMQuote from: Macs B on January 30, 2020, 09:21:51 AMIt seems strange to me the number of people anymore who claim to have the right to carry a gun anywhere. Property owners rights supersedes any rights of an individual to claim privilege on another's property. The basic litmus test in a court room to determine an individual's rights are simple. First is the individual the property owner. If the individual is the property owner then he has a right to determine his own actions and the actions of any others within the bounds of that property. Second if the individual is not the property owner does he have some form of formal agreement between himself and the property owner to allow him to determine his own actions. Within the limits of your private property you are guaranteed by the law the authority to determine the limits of another individuals actions. That's exactly the point I tried to make on page one, but no one wanted to acknowledge that this land is owned by the state and therefore not public land.And we all ignore you because you're wrong. You have had lawyers, law enforcement officers, etc on this site all tell you are wrong regarding this matter. Even the WDFW website disagrees with you: "The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) provides active management for more than 1 million acres of publicly owned land and over 500 water access areas throughout the state." https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/wdfw-landsHey, if he wants to believe the public land that his tax dollars pay for is actually private land, let him.Since you believe that public property is "your" property what rights do you feel are conferred on that property? What are you allowed to do on "your" property? The answer is whatever the agency that owns that property allows you to do and nothing more. Does that strike you as property owner's rights in any conventional sense?
Quote from: bigtex on January 30, 2020, 05:46:03 PMQuote from: the1rod on January 30, 2020, 03:11:50 PMQuote from: Macs B on January 30, 2020, 09:21:51 AMIt seems strange to me the number of people anymore who claim to have the right to carry a gun anywhere. Property owners rights supersedes any rights of an individual to claim privilege on another's property. The basic litmus test in a court room to determine an individual's rights are simple. First is the individual the property owner. If the individual is the property owner then he has a right to determine his own actions and the actions of any others within the bounds of that property. Second if the individual is not the property owner does he have some form of formal agreement between himself and the property owner to allow him to determine his own actions. Within the limits of your private property you are guaranteed by the law the authority to determine the limits of another individuals actions. That's exactly the point I tried to make on page one, but no one wanted to acknowledge that this land is owned by the state and therefore not public land.And we all ignore you because you're wrong. You have had lawyers, law enforcement officers, etc on this site all tell you are wrong regarding this matter. Even the WDFW website disagrees with you: "The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) provides active management for more than 1 million acres of publicly owned land and over 500 water access areas throughout the state." https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/wdfw-landsHey, if he wants to believe the public land that his tax dollars pay for is actually private land, let him.
Quote from: the1rod on January 30, 2020, 03:11:50 PMQuote from: Macs B on January 30, 2020, 09:21:51 AMIt seems strange to me the number of people anymore who claim to have the right to carry a gun anywhere. Property owners rights supersedes any rights of an individual to claim privilege on another's property. The basic litmus test in a court room to determine an individual's rights are simple. First is the individual the property owner. If the individual is the property owner then he has a right to determine his own actions and the actions of any others within the bounds of that property. Second if the individual is not the property owner does he have some form of formal agreement between himself and the property owner to allow him to determine his own actions. Within the limits of your private property you are guaranteed by the law the authority to determine the limits of another individuals actions. That's exactly the point I tried to make on page one, but no one wanted to acknowledge that this land is owned by the state and therefore not public land.And we all ignore you because you're wrong. You have had lawyers, law enforcement officers, etc on this site all tell you are wrong regarding this matter. Even the WDFW website disagrees with you: "The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) provides active management for more than 1 million acres of publicly owned land and over 500 water access areas throughout the state." https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/wdfw-lands
Quote from: Macs B on January 30, 2020, 09:21:51 AMIt seems strange to me the number of people anymore who claim to have the right to carry a gun anywhere. Property owners rights supersedes any rights of an individual to claim privilege on another's property. The basic litmus test in a court room to determine an individual's rights are simple. First is the individual the property owner. If the individual is the property owner then he has a right to determine his own actions and the actions of any others within the bounds of that property. Second if the individual is not the property owner does he have some form of formal agreement between himself and the property owner to allow him to determine his own actions. Within the limits of your private property you are guaranteed by the law the authority to determine the limits of another individuals actions. That's exactly the point I tried to make on page one, but no one wanted to acknowledge that this land is owned by the state and therefore not public land.
It seems strange to me the number of people anymore who claim to have the right to carry a gun anywhere. Property owners rights supersedes any rights of an individual to claim privilege on another's property. The basic litmus test in a court room to determine an individual's rights are simple. First is the individual the property owner. If the individual is the property owner then he has a right to determine his own actions and the actions of any others within the bounds of that property. Second if the individual is not the property owner does he have some form of formal agreement between himself and the property owner to allow him to determine his own actions. Within the limits of your private property you are guaranteed by the law the authority to determine the limits of another individuals actions.
Had some time off, so went for a spin up north of Moses Lake to the Billy Clapp Lake Wildlife area. Noticed a red triangular WDFW sign at Pinto Dam that said “WDFW game reserve, NO GUNS, NO DOGS, NO TRAPS.” Did a little research on the area and read that the land is part of the “Stratford Game Reserve,” which is closed to hunting. What I don’t understand though, is how they can just blatantly state “NO GUNS” on public DFW land, whether it’s off-limits to hunting or not? Am I not fully within my Second Amendment rights to strap on a rifle or handgun for personal protection and just go hiking around the lake? The area is fully open to fishing and wildlife viewing from what I understand? Any thoughts/advice would be greatly appreciated.Update: 2100hrsThe Sign (found the same one online):I have seen those and similar ones around the Arthur Coffin Game Reserve for about 55 years
