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AR mod question
« on: April 13, 2020, 07:45:13 PM »
Got a couple questions for you black rifle buffs out there. I bought a DPMS Oracle a couple years ago. I didn’t do anything with it for a year or so except cycle a few rounds through it to make sure it functioned properly. I installed a Midwest free float m-lok guard. I’m not ready to drop a bunch of money on a scope so I threw an old bushnell 4x12 scope I had laying around and surprisingly it is grouping quite well. I’m real happy with it, it’s been a great starter rifle. Anyway, what I don’t like is the trigger. When I’m at the range switching from my model 700 to the oracle it’s a huge difference. I know my 700 has a heavy pull probably 5lbs or so but it’s crisp with little to no pre travel or take up. So I guess I’m looking for suggestions on something in that range, single stage and reasonable price. Also discovered that the scope gets in the way of the charging handle so looking a wider handle at a good price too. On a budget so price is a big factor. Sorry for the long winded post but just wanted to give some background. Thanks.
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Re: AR mod question
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2020, 07:55:11 PM »
Im by no means an ar buff, but this is a really nice trigger.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1003355484?pid=777332

Youll like it, i promise.

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Re: AR mod question
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2020, 08:02:21 PM »
I have two Geissele triggers, and they are sweet! They are also expensive. I would also look at Larue (MBT) triggers, 1/2 the price of the Geisseles, and very close in quality.
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Re: AR mod question
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2020, 08:21:46 PM »
LaRue MBT is one of the best triggers out there and it is a lot cheaper than some of the other "best" triggers.  Until something changes they will be going in every build of mine.

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Re: AR mod question
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2020, 09:21:28 PM »
X3 for the Larue MBT.   
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Re: AR mod question
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2020, 10:16:38 PM »
Do yourself a favor and look up how to do a trigger job on each of your rifles. I promise you fine grit sandpaper and an hour will both educate you on how your weapon works AND will make it shoot smoother. I've done this on a BUNCH of my guns, and while I have an aftermarket trigger in one rifle, I am unlikely to buy another. 2c

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Re: AR mod question
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2020, 10:29:27 PM »
Do yourself a favor and look up how to do a trigger job on each of your rifles. I promise you fine grit sandpaper and an hour will both educate you on how your weapon works AND will make it shoot smoother. I've done this on a BUNCH of my guns, and while I have an aftermarket trigger in one rifle, I am unlikely to buy another. 2c

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 :yeah:  I have an AR with a no-name stock trigger.  I took it apart, did some file work to the hammer where the trigger catches it, then worked the hammer and corresponding part of the trigger with a dremel tool cotton tip and polishing compound until the contact surfaces were mirror smooth.  The result is not quite as good as an aftermarket trigger, but the price was right.  It shoots descent and I have the satisfaction that I made it better.

Note:  If you file too much on the hammer you will have to file the semi-auto sear to make sure the hammer doesn't release prematurely.  If you file too much still you run out of capacity to fix it on the sear and you have to buy new parts.  Did that once.....  It was a good learning experience though.  I now understand how the trigger works 100x better than I did before that project.

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Re: AR mod question
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2020, 10:33:22 PM »
LOL at people suggesting 2 stage $200 triggers when he wants a budget 1 stage.

These are actually really good
https://www.righttobear.com/Enhanced-Nickel-Teflon-Trigger-Assembly-p/enta-01.htm

Only problem is that they are often out of stock.

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Re: AR mod question
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2020, 10:55:50 PM »
Do yourself a favor and look up how to do a trigger job on each of your rifles. I promise you fine grit sandpaper and an hour will both educate you on how your weapon works AND will make it shoot smoother. I've done this on a BUNCH of my guns, and while I have an aftermarket trigger in one rifle, I am unlikely to buy another. 2c

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 :yeah:  I have an AR with a no-name stock trigger.  I took it apart, did some file work to the hammer where the trigger catches it, then worked the hammer and corresponding part of the trigger with a dremel tool cotton tip and polishing compound until the contact surfaces were mirror smooth.  The result is not quite as good as an aftermarket trigger, but the price was right.  It shoots descent and I have the satisfaction that I made it better.

Note:  If you file too much on the hammer you will have to file the semi-auto sear to make sure the hammer doesn't release prematurely.  If you file too much still you run out of capacity to fix it on the sear and you have to buy new parts.  Did that once.....  It was a good learning experience though.  I now understand how the trigger works 100x better than I did before that project.
Even it you barely touch the search, generally you b.c an sandal the contact surfaces and drop a couple of pounds and get a clean break. So if you go from a grittyb7lbs to a clean 5, that will help no matter what.... and you will learn something new.

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Re: AR mod question
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2020, 05:57:50 AM »
ALG Defense ACT

It's reasonably priced and very similar to the mil-spec trigger.

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Re: AR mod question
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2020, 06:40:37 AM »
I’ve done a few diy polish jobs on ar triggers.  It helps but it’s no after market.   If you decide you have $200 for a trigger I’d go cmc.  Great trigger imo
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Re: AR mod question
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2020, 08:55:21 AM »
I’ve done a few diy polish jobs on ar triggers.  It helps but it’s no after market.   If you decide you have $200 for a trigger I’d go cmc.  Great trigger imo

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I have a few CMC single stage AR triggers and they've been great.  Mine are all single stage and are the 3-3.5lb version.  I've measured them with my digital pull gauge and they are always on the low end of that range.  If you shop around you can usually get them for well under $150. https://palmettostatearmory.com/cmc-triggers-single-stage-tactical-trigger-curved-bow-3-5-91501.html

A DIY trigger job will generally always make it better but you have to be very careful not to get to aggressive with your sanding and it's VERY important to keep the same angles because you can go from making it better, to having an unsafe trigger really fast if you aren't careful.

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Re: AR mod question
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2020, 10:29:01 AM »
I want to add that I sanded more than the sear. I sanded down every place where the different parts of the trigger assembly touched. I have a revolver that had drag marks on the side of the hammer. I sanded it down on both the hammer and the  high part of the frame.  IMO the sanding was part of the fitting process back in the day. Can you buy a better aftermarket trigger? Sure. Ive fired a Timney and CMC and they are both nice, but if your on a budget what do you have to loose?
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Re: AR mod question
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2020, 12:00:28 PM »
I have this trigger in one of my AR's and i was surprised at how nice it is for the money JMT Saber. https://gun.deals/product/jmt-saber-single-stage-drop-trigger-ar15ar10-includes-anti-rotation-pins-9495-free-shipping

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Re: AR mod question
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2020, 12:13:41 PM »
LOL at people suggesting 2 stage $200 triggers when he wants a budget 1 stage.

These are actually really good
https://www.righttobear.com/Enhanced-Nickel-Teflon-Trigger-Assembly-p/enta-01.htm

Only problem is that they are often out of stock.

Uhm,
The LaRue MBt-S1 is a single stage trigger that costs $80!
Fantastic trigger!
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