Looking for anyone to advise on a Complete DEF delete

[birddogdad]

doing math.. looked at this before.. saving the above 4mpg, that works to about 100gal of gas every 10K of driving or 350$ savings on fuel.. you break even when you hit somewhere near 80-100K miles driving.. ...i know, not taking into account the DEF costs but its cheap stuff, yea pain in the butt to mess with but... bonus i see is tuner/ power options if you want to get more out of your truck.. new truck - delete = power train warranty no longer valid. dodge has 1ooK power train, so your next 100K maybe for the tuner /delete stuff.

States with emissions inspection may prevent you from license/ street legal as well as "illegally modified"..  This all being said, i have a '14 RAM 2500 i have been considering deleting but...

[trophyhunt]

Just don’t trade the truck in when you’re done with it.  Dealer has to put all the emissions crap back on.  My dealer says there’s no way around it for them.  They just take that off the cost of the trade in. If ya sell it privately, it’s not an issue. Been considering doing this to my ‘14 Duramax

I have an 06 duramax, I know it doesn't have the def bs on it but I ordered a straight pipe from alligator performance in Idaho, and installed the edge computer.  Improved my mileage from about 11 to 15.5 towing, long drives I've gotten up to 18+.

[jackelope]

The important thing to remember with all of this is that it's illegal to do. It's also illegal for shops to knowingly work on trucks that have had federal emissions equipment tampered with.
It's a resale risk and a trade in risk.
Also after I don't know how many dozen 6.7 Powerstroke trucks I've seen here, I can't think of any DPF's we've replaced on one. A few EGR valves and a few EGR coolers here and there on the early 6.7's. Tampering with a perfectly good truck doesn't always pencil out. You're going to spend a few thousand bucks to save some gas money. How much driving do you have to do to make up the difference? How much driving are you going to do? Yes, you can make some more power, but how much power do you need? Those trucks are very powerful stock from the factory.
Most of the time I see this stuff done, it's done to a lifted 6.7 Super Duty on 24" wheels that will never see a trailer in it's backup camera. The truck is owned by a flat brim wearing bro country listener who lives in Bellevue and will never use(or need) the power the trucks make.

[ctwiggs1]

The important thing to remember with all of this is that it's illegal to do. It's also illegal for shops to knowingly work on trucks that have had federal emissions equipment tampered with.
It's a resale risk and a trade in risk.
Also after I don't know how many dozen 6.7 Powerstroke trucks I've seen here, I can't think of any DPF's we've replaced on one. A few EGR valves and a few EGR coolers here and there on the early 6.7's. Tampering with a perfectly good truck doesn't always pencil out. You're going to spend a few thousand bucks to save some gas money. How much driving do you have to do to make up the difference? How much driving are you going to do? Yes, you can make some more power, but how much power do you need? Those trucks are very powerful stock from the factory.
Most of the time I see this stuff done, it's done to a lifted 6.7 Super Duty on 24" wheels that will never see a trailer in it's backup camera. The truck is owned by a flat brim wearing bro country listener who lives in Bellevue and will never use(or need) the power the trucks make.

Pretty sure that last line makes you a racist in 2020

Or something like that anyways 

[blackpowderhunter]

my new truck came with a 'lifetime powertrain' warranty and 80k warranty on emissions equipment with free oil changes for life.

i get over 30 mpg long highway drives and 17-18 towing my 21 ft boat
i'm not deleting squat right now 
even with no more emissions testing, jackelope is right, you have any plans to trade it in, it's going to take a huge hit and be a pita.
ALSO, how are you supposed to road hunt when your truck is so damn noisey? 

[Night goat]

Can someone break this down into laymans terms?  Looking at a diesel in the next couple years and always hearing about tuning and computers on them.

Simple.... Diesel engines from invention til like 06 were strictly mechanical machines with everything being precision timed. To sync up giving  legendary reliability and fuel economy at the cost of emissions (although as a mechanic a properly tuned engine shouldn't have much) and to improve on the numbers for the EPA they went to computer controlled engines with exhaust gas recalculation valves and fluids to cut down on the exhaust as a diesel engine doesnt produce exhaust similar to gasoline engines, it is heavy particulate matter such as soot and while gasoline emissions to up into the atmosphere diesels primarily fall back down to earth and when you romp on a diesel it.produces unburnt fuel particles as a result (the thick black exhaust) and to counter this the EPA decided that that shkuldnt happen and started requiring all this emissions crap and while in many cases its the same engine as back in the day they put so much junk on the newer engjnes performance took a serious nosedive and in many cases the new engines are sluggish and unresponsive and simply dont perform so people gace to tune and mod them to act the way we want em to

[Milkman]

did my 2014 Ram 3500. Bought RaceMe tuner, EGR and DEF deleted about 2 months ago, and live it.
4" straight pipe off the turbo, plenty of power and getting 23 mpg on hwy. Was getting 19 average before hand.

Just did my 16 3500 Ram a few months ago.  Bought the whole delete kit, def and egr and a MM3 tuner for $1700. All new, not used.  I did the complete swap over in a day.  The power is massive!  Huge change over stock.  Running a diesel the way its supposed to be ran.
Kept all my oem parts if I ever wanted to go back to stock.  And it's not illegal to do in a state with no emissions.

[Stein]

The 1990 Clean Air Act makes it a federal offense to do a complete delete.  There are both state and federal laws covering it.

[The scout]

The important thing to remember with all of this is that it's illegal to do. It's also illegal for shops to knowingly work on trucks that have had federal emissions equipment tampered with.
It's a resale risk and a trade in risk.
Also after I don't know how many dozen 6.7 Powerstroke trucks I've seen here, I can't think of any DPF's we've replaced on one. A few EGR valves and a few EGR coolers here and there on the early 6.7's. Tampering with a perfectly good truck doesn't always pencil out. You're going to spend a few thousand bucks to save some gas money. How much driving do you have to do to make up the difference? How much driving are you going to do? Yes, you can make some more power, but how much power do you need? Those trucks are very powerful stock from the factory.
Most of the time I see this stuff done, it's done to a lifted 6.7 Super Duty on 24" wheels that will never see a trailer in it's backup camera. The truck is owned by a flat brim wearing bro country listener who lives in Bellevue and will never use(or need) the power the trucks make.

There is a lot more to it than power, I don’t know a single person who hasn’t had a problem with there def system and I know a ton of people with diesels. If they were”perfectly good” no one would want to delete them. I’m guessing you work for a dealership or somewhere they brain wash you to think this way. Not a resale problem either. We will probably agree to disagree, but in my mind the good by far out way the bad.

[Jingles]

The important thing to remember with all of this is that it's illegal to do. It's also illegal for shops to knowingly work on trucks that have had federal emissions equipment tampered with.
It's a resale risk and a trade in risk.
Also after I don't know how many dozen 6.7 Powerstroke trucks I've seen here, I can't think of any DPF's we've replaced on one. A few EGR valves and a few EGR coolers here and there on the early 6.7's. Tampering with a perfectly good truck doesn't always pencil out. You're going to spend a few thousand bucks to save some gas money. How much driving do you have to do to make up the difference? How much driving are you going to do? Yes, you can make some more power, but how much power do you need? Those trucks are very powerful stock from the factory.
Most of the time I see this stuff done, it's done to a lifted 6.7 Super Duty on 24" wheels that will never see a trailer in it's backup camera. The truck is owned by a flat brim wearing bro country listener who lives in Bellevue and will never use(or need) the power the trucks make.

So according to you it is illegal for shops to work on trucks that have had a delete done, Hmmm guess  the ford dealer that worked on my hasn't been informed of that yet. They did say that can't work on the exhaust system or correct any problems that can be attributed to the delete but otherwise they can work on anything else.
Oh BTW yea I listen to Country however I also do a heck of a lot more driving that your wannabe Belleview bro. My last truck had 437,000 miles before I traded it in, and probably had more miles on that single vehicle than you have driven period, and figure at my current age this will be the last vehicle I purchase.

[jackelope]

The important thing to remember with all of this is that it's illegal to do. It's also illegal for shops to knowingly work on trucks that have had federal emissions equipment tampered with.
It's a resale risk and a trade in risk.
Also after I don't know how many dozen 6.7 Powerstroke trucks I've seen here, I can't think of any DPF's we've replaced on one. A few EGR valves and a few EGR coolers here and there on the early 6.7's. Tampering with a perfectly good truck doesn't always pencil out. You're going to spend a few thousand bucks to save some gas money. How much driving do you have to do to make up the difference? How much driving are you going to do? Yes, you can make some more power, but how much power do you need? Those trucks are very powerful stock from the factory.
Most of the time I see this stuff done, it's done to a lifted 6.7 Super Duty on 24" wheels that will never see a trailer in it's backup camera. The truck is owned by a flat brim wearing bro country listener who lives in Bellevue and will never use(or need) the power the trucks make.

So according to you it is illegal for shops to work on trucks that have had a delete done, Hmmm guess  the ford dealer that worked on my hasn't been informed of that yet. They did say that can't work on the exhaust system or correct any problems that can be attributed to the delete but otherwise they can work on anything else.
Oh BTW yea I listen to Country however I also do a heck of a lot more driving that your wannabe Belleview bro. My last truck had 437,000 miles before I traded it in, and probably had more miles on that single vehicle than you have driven period, and figure at my current age this will be the last vehicle I purchase.

Well I traded my last truck in at 235k miles and my current has 205k. So I’m getting there.

[jackelope]

The important thing to remember with all of this is that it's illegal to do. It's also illegal for shops to knowingly work on trucks that have had federal emissions equipment tampered with.
It's a resale risk and a trade in risk.
Also after I don't know how many dozen 6.7 Powerstroke trucks I've seen here, I can't think of any DPF's we've replaced on one. A few EGR valves and a few EGR coolers here and there on the early 6.7's. Tampering with a perfectly good truck doesn't always pencil out. You're going to spend a few thousand bucks to save some gas money. How much driving do you have to do to make up the difference? How much driving are you going to do? Yes, you can make some more power, but how much power do you need? Those trucks are very powerful stock from the factory.
Most of the time I see this stuff done, it's done to a lifted 6.7 Super Duty on 24" wheels that will never see a trailer in it's backup camera. The truck is owned by a flat brim wearing bro country listener who lives in Bellevue and will never use(or need) the power the trucks make.

There is a lot more to it than power, I don’t know a single person who hasn’t had a problem with there def system and I know a ton of people with diesels. If they were”perfectly good” no one would want to delete them. I’m guessing you work for a dealership or somewhere they brain wash you to think this way. Not a resale problem either. We will probably agree to disagree, but in my mind the good by far out way the bad.

I work for a Ford dealership. A DEF problem has nothing to do with the diesel particulate filter. 2 different parts. I’m assuming you meant. The newer 6.7 power strokes don’t have DPF problems. They earlier ones ...2011’s till about 2015’s had an issue with the diesel exhaust fluid heater. Ford put out a special policy warranty on that that’s good for 10 years or 150k.
There’s no brainwashing. I’m surrounded by these things 10 hours a day and 5 days a week. I make my mortgage payments off of them.
I’m not sure how a guy can say that there’s no resale issues selling a truck that has no emissions stuff on it, assuming you disclose that at the time of sale or trade in to the buyer. Sadly I just had a lady in here who bought a 450 with a deleted 6.4 and didn’t  know it was deleted. She bought it used off of a guy who didn’t tell her about the mods. Had a melted piston. Burned the motor up because the tune was running the engine so hot it couldn’t cool itself down.

I get the desire to delete them I guess, but the fear of the problems they have are old news. They’re just not common problems anymore. Literally don’t remember the last time we replaced an egr cooler in a ford truck and I see 50 cars a day, probably 60% of those are trucks and a good number of those are diesels. I have all the construction companies working on the light rail here bringing trucks to me and I have 3 guys in my shop who work on nothing but trucks all day long.

[Dan-o]

The important thing to remember with all of this is that it's illegal to do. It's also illegal for shops to knowingly work on trucks that have had federal emissions equipment tampered with.
It's a resale risk and a trade in risk.
Also after I don't know how many dozen 6.7 Powerstroke trucks I've seen here, I can't think of any DPF's we've replaced on one. A few EGR valves and a few EGR coolers here and there on the early 6.7's. Tampering with a perfectly good truck doesn't always pencil out. You're going to spend a few thousand bucks to save some gas money. How much driving do you have to do to make up the difference? How much driving are you going to do? Yes, you can make some more power, but how much power do you need? Those trucks are very powerful stock from the factory.
Most of the time I see this stuff done, it's done to a lifted 6.7 Super Duty on 24" wheels that will never see a trailer in it's backup camera. The truck is owned by a flat brim wearing bro country listener who lives in Bellevue and will never use(or need) the power the trucks make.

So according to you it is illegal for shops to work on trucks that have had a delete done, Hmmm guess  the ford dealer that worked on my hasn't been informed of that yet. They did say that can't work on the exhaust system or correct any problems that can be attributed to the delete but otherwise they can work on anything else.
Oh BTW yea I listen to Country however I also do a heck of a lot more driving that your wannabe Belleview bro. My last truck had 437,000 miles before I traded it in, and probably had more miles on that single vehicle than you have driven period, and figure at my current age this will be the last vehicle I purchase.

437K miles!     
That's fairly awesome.
I have felt good when I get them to around 250K.

[The scout]

The important thing to remember with all of this is that it's illegal to do. It's also illegal for shops to knowingly work on trucks that have had federal emissions equipment tampered with.
It's a resale risk and a trade in risk.
Also after I don't know how many dozen 6.7 Powerstroke trucks I've seen here, I can't think of any DPF's we've replaced on one. A few EGR valves and a few EGR coolers here and there on the early 6.7's. Tampering with a perfectly good truck doesn't always pencil out. You're going to spend a few thousand bucks to save some gas money. How much driving do you have to do to make up the difference? How much driving are you going to do? Yes, you can make some more power, but how much power do you need? Those trucks are very powerful stock from the factory.
Most of the time I see this stuff done, it's done to a lifted 6.7 Super Duty on 24" wheels that will never see a trailer in it's backup camera. The truck is owned by a flat brim wearing bro country listener who lives in Bellevue and will never use(or need) the power the trucks make.

There is a lot more to it than power, I don’t know a single person who hasn’t had a problem with there def system and I know a ton of people with diesels. If they were”perfectly good” no one would want to delete them. I’m guessing you work for a dealership or somewhere they brain wash you to think this way. Not a resale problem either. We will probably agree to disagree, but in my mind the good by far out way the bad.

I work for a Ford dealership. A DEF problem has nothing to do with the diesel particulate filter. 2 different parts. I’m assuming you meant. The newer 6.7 power strokes don’t have DPF problems. They earlier ones ...2011’s till about 2015’s had an issue with the diesel exhaust fluid heater. Ford put out a special policy warranty on that that’s good for 10 years or 150k.
There’s no brainwashing. I’m surrounded by these things 10 hours a day and 5 days a week. I make my mortgage payments off of them.
I’m not sure how a guy can say that there’s no resale issues selling a truck that has no emissions stuff on it, assuming you disclose that at the time of sale or trade in to the buyer. Sadly I just had a lady in here who bought a 450 with a deleted 6.4 and didn’t  know it was deleted. She bought it used off of a guy who didn’t tell her about the mods. Had a melted piston. Burned the motor up because the tune was running the engine so hot it couldn’t cool itself down.

I get the desire to delete them I guess, but the fear of the problems they have are old news. They’re just not common problems anymore. Literally don’t remember the last time we replaced an egr cooler in a ford truck and I see 50 cars a day, probably 60% of those are trucks and a good number of those are diesels. I have all the construction companies working on the light rail here bringing trucks to me and I have 3 guys in my shop who work on nothing but trucks all day long.
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I guess you haven’t owned one that’s had constant problems and had to be in the shop a bunch, or put in limp mode in middle of Montana in the middle of a hunting trip or or or. Just because you don’t see the problems at a service department at a dealership doesn’t mean there aren’t problems. After warranty is up I would never take a rig to a dealership for work. None of my deletes have had to do with power, it’s reliability.

[HntnFsh]

my new truck came with a 'lifetime powertrain' warranty and 80k warranty on emissions equipment with free oil changes for life.

i get over 30 mpg long highway drives and 17-18 towing my 21 ft boat
i'm not deleting squat right now 
even with no more emissions testing, jackelope is right, you have any plans to trade it in, it's going to take a huge hit and be a pita.
ALSO, how are you supposed to road hunt when your truck is so damn noisey? 

What kind of rig are you getting those numbers out of? Almost seems like a pipe dream.