Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes

[BA Mongor]

Very nicely said furbearer.

I get that e-bikes are far less of an impact, but it doesn't really matter. They don't allow it. And as far as it not really being an advantage to using one, I totally disagree. I would love to cruise back to my areas doing 20mph-30mph, bone out my deer and make a couple of very fast trips with my e-bike, versus boning it out and packing it out by foot. 

[Akroyd]

If there is state land (state of Washington is okay with E-bikes) beyond these gates that the timber company's have control of I will use the right-of-way or easement to get to said state land on my E-bike. I'm sorry if I ride by someone and you get mad but I'm tired of all this state land being land locked that is to far to get to by walking. If I get in trouble so be it. There is a RCW for e-bike use on state land. 

[trophyhunt]

If there is state land (state of Washington is okay with E-bikes) beyond these gates that the timber company's have control of I will use the right-of-way or easement to get to said state land on my E-bike. I'm sorry if I ride by someone and you get mad but I'm tired of all this state land being land locked that is to far to get to by walking. If I get in trouble so be it. There is a RCW for e-bike use on state land.

nice, I never thought of that!  I'll have to do some searching for state land in Hancock or other properties!  Thanks

[Sundance]

If there is state land (state of Washington is okay with E-bikes) beyond these gates that the timber company's have control of I will use the right-of-way or easement to get to said state land on my E-bike. I'm sorry if I ride by someone and you get mad but I'm tired of all this state land being land locked that is to far to get to by walking. If I get in trouble so be it. There is a RCW for e-bike use on state land. 

So if there is a postage stamp of state land behind a timber company gate, you are ok with taking your ebike behind the gate? Will you then hunt animals on the private timber company land that you used the ebike for access or only restrict yourself to hunting the state land since you used the ebike?

*edit*
I ask because there is a spot I hunt where there is a 600 acre parcel of state land in the middle of thousands of acres of private timber company. I ride my pedal bike in 14 miles which takes me 3+ hours and spike out on the state land for a day or so to hunt. I then hunt the private timber company land that's 10+ miles from the gates and and legally camping on state land.

[b0bbyg]

If there is state land (state of Washington is okay with E-bikes) beyond these gates that the timber company's have control of I will use the right-of-way or easement to get to said state land on my E-bike. I'm sorry if I ride by someone and you get mad but I'm tired of all this state land being land locked that is to far to get to by walking. If I get in trouble so be it. There is a RCW for e-bike use on state land. 

So if there is a postage stamp of state land behind a timber company gate, you are ok will with taking your ebike behind the gate? Will you then hunt animals on the private timber company land that you used the ebike for access or only restrict yourself to hunting the state land since you used the ebike?

I don't have an Ebike…. yet, but I know if 2 areas where there is a mile or so of timber land that blocks access to a lot of state land.  I would ride through these and hunt the state land in a heart beat if there was any sort of easement. In this case it might be that the blocked land allows ebikes so non issue, but I would not have a problem with people doing this if they hunted the state land.

[Wanttohuntmore]

Curious if there are timber companies that allow e bikes behind their gates? 

[JimmyHoffa]

Curious if there are timber companies that allow e bikes behind their gates?

If they're operated as a motorized vehicle--CB, fire gear, speed limit, decals and only stay on the roads used by cars.

[pd]

If there is state land (state of Washington is okay with E-bikes) beyond these gates that the timber company's have control of I will use the right-of-way or easement to get to said state land on my E-bike. I'm sorry if I ride by someone and you get mad but I'm tired of all this state land being land locked that is to far to get to by walking. If I get in trouble so be it. There is a RCW for e-bike use on state land. 

So if there is a postage stamp of state land behind a timber company gate, you are ok will with taking your ebike behind the gate? Will you then hunt animals on the private timber company land that you used the ebike for access or only restrict yourself to hunting the state land since you used the ebike?

I don't have an Ebike…. yet, but I know if 2 areas where there is a mile or so of timber land that blocks access to a lot of state land.  I would ride through these and hunt the state land in a heart beat if there was any sort of easement. In this case it might be that the blocked land allows ebikes so non issue, but I would not have a problem with people doing this if they hunted the state land.

All of you guys raise really interesting points.  This is actually a much bigger issue (not just regarding e-bikes), but a question about easements and rights-of-way.  Not every logging road (behind a gate on private timber land) will have an easement.  And not every road will have a public right-of-way.  There are very clear legal definitions as to what those are.

The next question comes from the discussion above.  "Can a private timber company, with a gate on their logging road, restrict the use of e-bikes on said logging road if that road has an easement or a known public right-of-way, when the destination of the e-bike rider is public land?"

Interesting question.  I would love to know the answer.

[Stein]

Are there actual access easements or assumed easements?


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[trophyhunt]

Curious if there are timber companies that allow e bikes behind their gates?

Hancock doesn't even allow e bikes in your truck on their property.

[trophyhunt]

If there is state land (state of Washington is okay with E-bikes) beyond these gates that the timber company's have control of I will use the right-of-way or easement to get to said state land on my E-bike. I'm sorry if I ride by someone and you get mad but I'm tired of all this state land being land locked that is to far to get to by walking. If I get in trouble so be it. There is a RCW for e-bike use on state land. 

So if there is a postage stamp of state land behind a timber company gate, you are ok will with taking your ebike behind the gate? Will you then hunt animals on the private timber company land that you used the ebike for access or only restrict yourself to hunting the state land since you used the ebike?

I don't have an Ebike…. yet, but I know if 2 areas where there is a mile or so of timber land that blocks access to a lot of state land.  I would ride through these and hunt the state land in a heart beat if there was any sort of easement. In this case it might be that the blocked land allows ebikes so non issue, but I would not have a problem with people doing this if they hunted the state land.

All of you guys raise really interesting points.  This is actually a much bigger issue (not just regarding e-bikes), but a question about easements and rights-of-way.  Not every logging road (behind a gate on private timber land) will have an easement.  And not every road will have a public right-of-way.  There are very clear legal definitions as to what those are.

The next question comes from the discussion above.  "Can a private timber company, with a gate on their logging road, restrict the use of e-bikes on said logging road if that road has an easement or a known public right-of-way, when the destination of the e-bike rider is public land?"

Interesting question.  I would love to know the answer.

We need to research this and then PM each other!!!  It would be a good secret to have, then all a sudden e bike haters would be like, "oh I love my ebike"!

[huntnfmly]

Are there actual access easements or assumed easements?


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If assumed easement  @Akroyd you are still ok with doing that?

[Akroyd]

Yes I'm ok with it. I want to be able to hunt OUR land that is OUR'S to enjoy and it will probably take a ticket and court to figure out who is in the right or wrong. There is a lot of legality's when looking at easement and right-of-way usage but I'm not a lawyer and I figure that's when the court will decide. Tired of the big timber company's throwing there weight around and us little guys (the sportsmen) pay to play crap is getting out of hand.....pay to walk in on a timber land is the dumbest thing I ever heard of. Yes I would ride right on by the timber company's land since it's private and go hunt the state land. There are other people that get keys to private timber land to hunt because it's there right.

[hunthard]

Curious if there are timber companies that allow e bikes behind their gates?



Blakely does.

[JakeLand]

Curious if there are timber companies that allow e bikes behind their gates?



Blakely does.

yes there are several go online to each company and see the rules or a call helps too that’s what I’ve done