2022 Ford Lightning Discussion

[lamrith]

Stumbled on a road tour going around the country.  Mind you this is specifically targeted to the fleet side of things, and looks to be only the Pro model and the E-transit van.  They have one event scheduled here in "seattle"  Sept 17th at wildwaves in FedWay.  I went ahead and signed up for the 12:45 event.  Be nice to at least see one of these things up close before commit.

https://forddrivetour.com/EV/

[lamrith]

Looks like Senate republicans are trying to torpedo the success and adoption of EV.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/on-small-business/senate-backs-limiting-ev-tax-credits-congress-update/2021/08/10/46697b00-fa47-11eb-911c-524bc8b68f17_story.html

[elkinrutdrivemenuts]

Republican Senator Deb Fischer of Nebraska proposed prohibiting people making more than $100,000 a year from claiming EV tax credits and to end tax credits for EVs that cost more than $40,000 -

Is there an EV that is less than 40k? 

[Farmer72]

Chevy Bolt $31K MSRP

I am sure there are more. I just know this because a coworker has one.

[Dhoey07]

Looks like Senate republicans are trying to torpedo the success and adoption of EV.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/on-small-business/senate-backs-limiting-ev-tax-credits-congress-update/2021/08/10/46697b00-fa47-11eb-911c-524bc8b68f17_story.html

If you want to buy an electric vehicle, great!  You don't need a tax credit for doing it 

[lamrith]

Republican Senator Deb Fischer of Nebraska proposed prohibiting people making more than $100,000 a year from claiming EV tax credits and to end tax credits for EVs that cost more than $40,000 -

Is there an EV that is less than 40k?

There are a few more I think like 5-6 total?  All very small econoboxes.

[jackelope]

[bearpaw]

Wow, a lot of that sounds pretty impressive! I guess my biggest concern is the 300 mile range limitation. Could a person carry spare batteries?

[KFhunter]

Wow, a lot of that sounds pretty impressive! I guess my biggest concern is the 300 mile range limitation. Could a person carry spare batteries?

Duh, it's a truck.  The generator goes in the back.

[elkinrutdrivemenuts]

Ugh, it looks like its only going to have a 5.5ft bed.  That's disappointing. 

[lamrith]

Wow, a lot of that sounds pretty impressive! I guess my biggest concern is the 300 mile range limitation. Could a person carry spare batteries?

Couple things of note...
Based on calculations with info Ford HAS released (they will not state battery size) the 300mi is thought to be conservative.  Rumor has it, that testing was done with 1000# payload in the truck.  My rough numbers based on released info put it at around 450mi, for max range.  But typical EV they say only run 70-80% usage then charge to 80%.  That would put it around 350mi range.  Some industry estimates are over 400mi, based on screenshots of LCD screens in demo trucks.  It seems they are not playing the usual higher than real world EPA estimates common in ICE vehicles and done by Tesla.  The Mach-E for example I am hearing is exceeding EPA estimates for range.  Time will tell what the truth is.

Ford Does have a patent now for a charging setup with generator "packaged so that it could fit in the bed of a truck like a toolbox"...

I doubt spare batteries would be practical, the sheer weight would likely really kill range.

Where did you see that multi page spread?  Very cool.

Ugh, it looks like its only going to have a 5.5ft bed.  That's disappointing. 

Yes it is the shortbed and only one vehicle/chassis configuration being the full 4 door, short bed variant. No std cab or extended cab options.

[Stein]

Ugh, it looks like its only going to have a 5.5ft bed.  That's disappointing.

Keeps the weight down I'm sure.  It makes sense the first one here will be marketed to the 90% of the people that drive them to work and back and never put anything in them outside of a set of golf clubs.  I'm sure the crew cab 5.5' is the most popular version of f-150 they sell, it was very difficult to find a used one with a 6.5' when I bought mine.

Towing will obviously crush the range, but they will be zippy fast. 

[lamrith]

Ugh, it looks like its only going to have a 5.5ft bed.  That's disappointing.

Keeps the weight down I'm sure.  It makes sense the first one here will be marketed to the 90% of the people that drive them to work and back and never put anything in them outside of a set of golf clubs.  I'm sure the crew cab 5.5' is the most popular version of f-150 they sell, it was very difficult to find a used one with a 6.5' when I bought mine.

Towing will obviously crush the range, but they will be zippy fast.

Seems very few non ford staff have been able to drive them so far.  Those that have ridden in them say it is instant zoom, and more responsive than most other EV's they have been in.  Mid 4 second 0-60.

[jackelope]

Lamrith-
It’s in the newest Ford Frontline magazine we get.

[jackelope]

Ugh, it looks like its only going to have a 5.5ft bed.  That's disappointing.

Keeps the weight down I'm sure.  It makes sense the first one here will be marketed to the 90% of the people that drive them to work and back and never put anything in them outside of a set of golf clubs.  I'm sure the crew cab 5.5' is the most popular version of f-150 they sell, it was very difficult to find a used one with a 6.5' when I bought mine.

Towing will obviously crush the range, but they will be zippy fast.

Seems very few non ford staff have been able to drive them so far.  Those that have ridden in them say it is instant zoom, and more responsive than most other EV's they have been in.  Mid 4 second 0-60.

I drove a Mach E the other day. I’ll literally never buy one ever, but the acceleration was sort of shocking. That thing scoots.