2022 Ford Lightning Discussion

[lamrith]

Interesting new thing that could help make the lightning more usable for some in this forum.  Since it doubles as a camping space as well.  Def be interesting to see data on the extra drag/weight being pulled vs charge capacity it adds.  As well as how it would compare to a battery pack in the bed or even generator & fuel option.  I could see it useful for those thinking about a lightning but concerned as their hunting/scouting/outdoor activities take them 100-150 away from charging and not wanting to run the ragged edge of range.

https://www.lightningowners.com/threads/improve-trailer-towing-range-with-trailer-mounted-batteries.107/?fbclid=IwAR1asAgGFpLx_XbNYNlU3XyjGvKYa7V-zDRia4gxgQnU2t_SwPF1RwAZqYE

[CP]

Ford is doubling production of the Lightning - up to 80,000 per year. 

[lamrith]

Ford is doubling production of the Lightning - up to 80,000 per year.

That is for 2024  The rest of the article claims only 15K total units for 2022.  That is an extremely disappointing number honestly.  It is a complete joke as a matter of fact.  The produced almost 13k Mach-E in 1st half of 2021which is a completely new build.  But they only target 15K TOTAL F150 Lightning for a year, when most of the truck is existing F150 parts?  Yeah more than a little disappointed in hearing that.  I really hope Reuters has their info wrong, 15k honestly seems like a joke of a number and will severely hurt their sales as I think Tesla is pushing hard to finally release the CT.

[elkinrutdrivemenuts]

Well if 15k is the number, I probably need to give my truck some TLC to make it last till 2023! 

[Stein]

Ford is doubling production of the Lightning - up to 80,000 per year.

That is for 2024  The rest of the article claims only 15K total units for 2022.  That is an extremely disappointing number honestly.  It is a complete joke as a matter of fact.  The produced almost 13k Mach-E in 1st half of 2021which is a completely new build.  But they only target 15K TOTAL F150 Lightning for a year, when most of the truck is existing F150 parts?  Yeah more than a little disappointed in hearing that.  I really hope Reuters has their info wrong, 15k honestly seems like a joke of a number and will severely hurt their sales as I think Tesla is pushing hard to finally release the CT.

That assumes they have access to all the parts and are consciously holding production down.  Maybe they are, maybe that's all the parts they think they can get right now.  Maybe they are testing the water, hard to say.

[lamrith]

Well if 15k is the number, I probably need to give my truck some TLC to make it last till 2023!

Sounds like you got in on reservation early?  I heard they had over 20K reservations in the 1st 24hrs and was 100K within 3 weeks.  Reservation to order conversion rate will be interesting.  There could be people that placed order 1st week that not see rig for over 2yrs.  yikes.  I was very slow on the draw and past the 100K mark so looing 2024/25 depending on actual production and conversion rates.

[elkinrutdrivemenuts]

Well if 15k is the number, I probably need to give my truck some TLC to make it last till 2023!

Sounds like you got in on reservation early?  I heard they had over 20K reservations in the 1st 24hrs and was 100K within 3 weeks.  Reservation to order conversion rate will be interesting.  There could be people that placed order 1st week that not see rig for over 2yrs.  yikes.  I was very slow on the draw and past the 100K mark so looing 2024/25 depending on actual production and conversion rates.

I reserved it 5/20.  So I could get lucky!

[lamrith]

Well if 15k is the number, I probably need to give my truck some TLC to make it last till 2023!

Sounds like you got in on reservation early?  I heard they had over 20K reservations in the 1st 24hrs and was 100K within 3 weeks.  Reservation to order conversion rate will be interesting.  There could be people that placed order 1st week that not see rig for over 2yrs.  yikes.  I was very slow on the draw and past the 100K mark so looing 2024/25 depending on actual production and conversion rates.

I reserved it 5/20.  So I could get lucky!

Yeah you are set!  I bet you will get in on 2022 rig.  I blew it off when I saw a few headlines about the "new ford truck" then month later my oldest asked if I had seen the details on it.  nope.  kicking myself now for sure, reserved June 20

[kselkhunter]

EPA just completed their dyno tests for rating the Rivian, making Rivian the first truck or full size SUV EV with an official EPA rating.  Came in at 314 mile range on the R1T truck with standard battery pack, and 316 miles on the R1S SUV.  300 was the expected number, so slightly higher than anticipated.   The larger 400+ mile battery pack won't likely complete EPA evaluation until early next year.  This EPA rating was the last thing holding up deliveries, so the lucky folks that got in early on reservations will start receiving their R1T and R1S deliveries starting this month.


Ford is estimating 230 mile range on their standard battery Lightning and up to 300+ on their extended range battery.   Not sure what date the EPA will release Ford's numbers.   

[lamrith]

EPA just completed their dyno tests for rating the Rivian, making Rivian the first truck or full size SUV EV with an official EPA rating.  Came in at 314 mile range on the R1T truck with standard battery pack, and 316 miles on the R1S SUV.  300 was the expected number, so slightly higher than anticipated.   The larger 400+ mile battery pack won't likely complete EPA evaluation until early next year.  This EPA rating was the last thing holding up deliveries, so the lucky folks that got in early on reservations will start receiving their R1T and R1S deliveries starting this month.


Ford is estimating 230 mile range on their standard battery Lightning and up to 300+ on their extended range battery.   Not sure what date the EPA will release Ford's numbers.

From what I had heard in the EV circles the EPA uses mfg numbers, cool to hear epa has some std put together.  Def eager to see what the lightning pulls off.

[kselkhunter]

EPA just completed their dyno tests for rating the Rivian, making Rivian the first truck or full size SUV EV with an official EPA rating.  Came in at 314 mile range on the R1T truck with standard battery pack, and 316 miles on the R1S SUV.  300 was the expected number, so slightly higher than anticipated.   The larger 400+ mile battery pack won't likely complete EPA evaluation until early next year.  This EPA rating was the last thing holding up deliveries, so the lucky folks that got in early on reservations will start receiving their R1T and R1S deliveries starting this month.


Ford is estimating 230 mile range on their standard battery Lightning and up to 300+ on their extended range battery.   Not sure what date the EPA will release Ford's numbers.

From what I had heard in the EV circles the EPA uses mfg numbers, cool to hear epa has some std put together.  Def eager to see what the lightning pulls off.

The EPA actually receives test vehicles and puts them through a series of tests on a dynamometer and other tests to determine the final mileage and range ratings for EVs.  https://www.jdpower.com/Cars/Shopping-Guides/electric-vehicle-range-testing-understanding-nedc-vs-wltp-vs-epa

[lamrith]

EPA just completed their dyno tests for rating the Rivian, making Rivian the first truck or full size SUV EV with an official EPA rating.  Came in at 314 mile range on the R1T truck with standard battery pack, and 316 miles on the R1S SUV.  300 was the expected number, so slightly higher than anticipated.   The larger 400+ mile battery pack won't likely complete EPA evaluation until early next year.  This EPA rating was the last thing holding up deliveries, so the lucky folks that got in early on reservations will start receiving their R1T and R1S deliveries starting this month.


Ford is estimating 230 mile range on their standard battery Lightning and up to 300+ on their extended range battery.   Not sure what date the EPA will release Ford's numbers.

From what I had heard in the EV circles the EPA uses mfg numbers, cool to hear epa has some std put together.  Def eager to see what the lightning pulls off.

The EPA actually receives test vehicles and puts them through a series of tests on a dynamometer and other tests to determine the final mileage and range ratings for EVs.  https://www.jdpower.com/Cars/Shopping-Guides/electric-vehicle-range-testing-understanding-nedc-vs-wltp-vs-epa

Yeah did a bit of digging after seeing your post. 
https://cleantechnica.com/2020/08/18/how-does-epa-calculate-electric-car-range/

Do we know if ford has given them test rigs yet?

[kselkhunter]

The Ford Lightning EPA rating won't be published until early 2022 per Ford's website.  I haven't seen any comments from Ford yet on if they've handed the EPA any test vehicles yet.  Most EV companies are underestimating their expected EPA rating, as the damage in public image for overestimating would be severe given the spotlight right now.  And based on some of what the car magazine writers are saying about the test drives they've gotten in the Lightning, multiple writers are suggesting Ford is sandbagging the expected EPA rating. 

These are just early test drive experience, and the EPA tests are much more robust.....but odds are the base model Lightning will end up with a higher than 230 mile range in the final EPA number.
https://topelectricsuv.com/news/ford/ford-f150-electric-new-update/

[lamrith]

Yeah the mass consensus is that Ford is sandbagging.  Unlike Tesla typically does. 

Anyone else going to the Ford EV events on 16th/17th?  I registered for the pro tour on Sept 17th @ 12:45 and then just got invite and was able to register for the consumer event Sept 16th @ 5pm.

[lamrith]

Anyone else make it to a Lighting event at Wildwaves?  I was a big underwhelmed by the consumer event yesterday.  Truck looks great and the ride along was great, but that was it, the rest was all stuff seen before and no presentations or speaking.  Staff was there but no push or promo of the vehicle.

The Pro event today was another thing.  It was all presentations, much info we have heard before, but some tidbits not known here and there.  Def felt like a better experience.  The ride alongs were different too, as they had one trailer pulling a 5000# trailer.  It pulled it like it was not even there, even up the slop in the parking lot.  No data on towing range yet but they are working on building data and a towing curve.

The bidirectional power is sounding better.  They had partnered with Sunrun initially, but it sounds like Ford is changing direction and bringing the install service inhouse and have bought a company to handle the consumer and fleet side charging installs.  I hung around after that presentation and asked about what made it different and needing special installer and the guy said that was just to provide a one stop solution for the customer.  Any licensed electrician could install the bi-directional 80A charging setup.  That is great news imho.

Speaking of bringing inhouse, it also sounds like they are bringing more and more things inhouse.  I have a feeling the whole chip and other shortages has really chaffed their hide.  They even said they are bringing battery production inhouse.

Interesting note, the 4 lightnings on this tour are all handbuilt prototypes, hence no public driving.  These things HAUL bigtime.  Even in the rain today the awd was hooking up and screaming around the course.