Who trains for woods carry?

[KFhunter]

So are you aiming at his face, Forehead

See this face? 

It's pumping up and down, I'm aiming in the middle of it, center mass. 

[KFhunter]

I am guessing that the kill zone would be about the size of your daughter's soccer ball.
So have a by stander roll it down hill from your choice of distance and since it is not a perfect flat or level surface might be good enough.
But I am not sure how you will replicate the chunks of adrenaline the size of your fist in your system.

The instant kill zone is about that size, the incapacitate zone is bigger, the slow it down zone is bigger yet.

[Ridgeratt]

Do you have any data for trained personnel on the amount of hits in a high stress situation?

[KFhunter]

Do you have any data for trained personnel on the amount of hits in a high stress situation?

Nationwide, I think FBI puts cops anywhere from 0% to a high of 50% depending on various departments, and they vary a great deal!

But to put a hole in your theory of trained cops must be better than average joes, bad guys tend to have higher accuracy levels in shootings than do the cops. 

It doesn't fully equate to woods self defense because cops are taught to scatter like a covy of quail, and get behind cover.  Accuracy goes out the window if you're running for cover, so its not thst cops can't shoot, its that they're using bullets as cover until they can find real hard cover.

Also you do not want to trip over brush, logs rocks and debris, and you sure ain't going to make cover from a bear...stand your ground and fire for accuracy.

Apples and Oranges

[Ridgeratt]

Do you think the military would have a higher percentage of hits?
And if they do what would the percentage be?

[Alchase]

I have never trained to shoot my pistol with my hunting pack on.
But I do believe if you train enough your pistol becomes a part of you.
Two years ago, while dear hunting in SE Oklahoma. I was on a trail in thick timber, when a huge sow wild pig stepped out on the same trail at 15 ft. And turned towards me. Gut reaction at that range, was to shoot her between the eye with my 300 Win Mag, and without thinking, I pulled my .40 cal pistol (mounted cross draw on my pack waist belt) and had her in My sights before she hit the ground.
If I had missed with my rifle shot, I subconsciously knew I would not have time to run the bolt and re-chamber my rifle.
Thinking about it later, was a little surreal. I did not even think to pull my pistol. Yet it was in my hand, and on target.
Luckily I did not need it, the 300Win mag dropped her in her tracks.

On one hand, practicing all aspect of how you carry is a great idea. I also think by just practicing until your weapon becomes a part of you, will also give you an advantage.
I will never know if that sow would have charged from 15 feet away. Considering how many wild pigs there are here, and how many stories I have heard of people getting charged and slashed. My gut was to drop her.
I am even more happy, my instinctive reaction was up to the task.
I do not think that would have been the case without years of pistol practice.

[KFhunter]

Do you think the military would have a higher percentage of hits?
And if they do what would the percentage be?

I can't answer that.

I know I've shot with about every team, every branch and they range from horrible to very good.

[Alchase]

Do you think the military would have a higher percentage of hits?
And if they do what would the percentage be?

I definitely think most combat trained soldiers and sailors maybe not have a higher percentage of hits, but would have a much higher percentage of kills.
Most are trained to shoot and advance, that also provides suppression fire until you get hits.
Most police do not shoot and scoot, or advance. They shoot from cover.
I believe the counting bullets shot, is for people who have no understanding of actual combat. Who the hell cares if it was 8 rounds or 20 if the bad guy is put down?
Yes police are more apt to have civilians in the vicinity  that need to be taken into account. And more rounds out means more chances of a innocent getting hit. Honestly I don’t care if a bad guy was shot once or 15 times.
I will leave that for the media.

[KFhunter]

About them bears....

[jackelope]

It probably goes without saying that you can practice all you want shooting at a charging soccer ball all you want, but when the rubber hits the road and there’s a bear/pig/lion coming for you, it’s a different ball game.

[Born2late]

i heard one bear guide say you should drop to the ground and shoot( i would think sitting or kneeling) because most people aim for the head while standing and by the time they pull the trigger they are hitting them in the back or shoulder because they are shooting behind them. His theory was if your lower then you would have a better chance at shooting straight into his face.
probably wouldn't work to good in brush but in the open might work better.

[Alchase]

About them bears....

Don’t you know?
Most of life’s problems can be solved through excessive amounts of firepower!

 

[KFhunter]

It probably goes without saying that you can practice all you want shooting at a charging soccer ball all you want, but when the rubber hits the road and there’s a bear/pig/lion coming for you, it’s a different ball game.

This is why muscle memory and scenario training is so important.

Freezeups happen when your brain is faced with a new situation for which it has never encountered before, its your flight, fight or 'stand there like a retard' while the brain develops a solution on the fly, and that's not always the solution you want.

A scenario programs a path in which to follow if its close enough to the situation you trained for,  your brain will "boot up that program" and follow through will happen automagically.

The worst is having the gear, but never creating muscle memory and scenario solutions for your brain to follow through with, so you either stand there like a tard, run away, or claw at your clothing, backpack strap, or pull on your bino harness in a febble untrained attempt at getting your gun out. 

Its not innate courage, its having the programming and muscle memory already in place to deal with the threat. Essentially, you don't have time for courage, only action.

"It all happened so fast, I can't really remember"


Courage is having a grizz roar at you 100 yards up the trail, and going up there anyways.....

(or maybe stupidity lol. )

[mossback91]

Been in two bear situations in the last couple years where I subconsciously readied the weapon I had......once was a bow the other was a rifle...and I don’t practice for these things! Fight or flight! I honestly don’t carry a sidearm all the time when I bow hunt....it used to be illegal to do so

[Ridgeratt]

It probably goes without saying that you can practice all you want shooting at a charging soccer ball all you want, but when the rubber hits the road and there’s a bear/pig/lion coming for you, it’s a different ball game.

I used the soccer ball as an example.  It won't approach in a flat straight course.  You are trying to connect with a moving object.