Hunters need to make a Statement

[baldopepper]

You laid out very well why I didn't vote Inslee or any dems save one in a local race

So KF, guess I'm looking at like this.  If your house caught fire, would you ask the firemen how they voted before you'd let them put it out?  As hunters, our house is starting to burn.  Let's work to put it out and we can argue who's to blame and how it started later.  Personally I'm more than happy to address a dialog that involves cross party voting or really any other ideas that might help. I just feel, so to speak, that we're standing in the driveway calling each other names while the fire rages on.

[KFhunter]

You laid out very well why I didn't vote Inslee or any dems save one in a local race

So KF, guess I'm looking at like this.  If your house caught fire, would you ask the firemen how they voted before you'd let them put it out?  As hunters, our house is starting to burn.  Let's work to put it out and we can argue who's to blame and how it started later.  Personally I'm more than happy to address a dialog that involves cross party voting or really any other ideas that might help. I just feel, so to speak, that we're standing in the driveway calling each other names while the fire rages on.

Your logic train has no tracks, but I'll go with it.. I vote for "firefighters" 

You vote for arsonists when it comes to wildlife, individual rights and quality of life. 
Hell, the dems even use BLM and Antifa to burn crap down so maybe there is something to this logic train after all.

"Let's work to put it out and we can argue who's to blame and how it started later"
 

Who's to blame, and how it started is the first step to fixing it!  Votes gotta change enough that we can get "firefighters" in and that's all there is to it. 

[baldopepper]

You laid out very well why I didn't vote Inslee or any dems save one in a local race

So KF, guess I'm looking at like this.  If your house caught fire, would you ask the firemen how they voted before you'd let them put it out?  As hunters, our house is starting to burn.  Let's work to put it out and we can argue who's to blame and how it started later.  Personally I'm more than happy to address a dialog that involves cross party voting or really any other ideas that might help. I just feel, so to speak, that we're standing in the driveway calling each other names while the fire rages on.

Your logic train has no tracks, but I'll go with it.. I vote for "firefighters" 

You vote for arsonists when it comes to wildlife, individual rights and quality of life. 
Hell, the dems even use BLM and Antifa to burn crap down so maybe there is something to this logic train after all.

"Let's work to put it out and we can argue who's to blame and how it started later"
 

Who's to blame, and how it started is the first step to fixing it!  Votes gotta change enough that we can get "firefighters" in and that's all there is to it. 

OK we can start wherever you'd like, point is we need to start some sort of dialog. IF we could get just 10% of the licensed hunters to band together we'd have a voting block of 17,000 votes.  Get them to pop in just $20.00 each and you have a $340,000 war chest to pass around. Plug in 20% of the licensed hunters and you have a fairly formidable voting block and a tempting war chest. We may only have 2-3% of the population, but banded together we could put together a PAC that would get the attention of lots of candidates.   We just need to quit the squabbling,  whining and crying and start putting something together.  If I were 20 years younger I'd sure as hack pursue it, but now certainly ld support and encourage others I know to support. Heck, I'll be right there supporting you if you want to start gluing it together.

[buckfvr]

The antagonists to the hunting community have been busy for years driving the wedge of division amongst us and quite successfully I'll add.  Mentioning that, they are much farther along in their campaign to "conquer" us than I believe many of us realize.

This fight will require new younger fresh blood to pick up the pieces and march forward before its altogether too late.   

[baldopepper]

The antagonists to the hunting community have been busy for years driving the wedge of division amongst us and quite successfully I'll add.  Mentioning that, they are much farther along in their campaign to "conquer" us than I believe many of us realize.

This fight will require new younger fresh blood to pick up the pieces and march forward before its altogether too late.   

  exactly right. Would suggest setting up as a PAC. Gives you the advantage of endorsing and contributing to candidates. Humane Society and PETA  can't do that as they are 501 c non profits. When it comes to politics money speaks far louder than talk from non contributing non profits. Candidates grovel at the feet of  groups far smaller than we could put together, especially if that group has money to contribute.  Pretty sure there are members on here much more k knowledgeable on this than an old dude like me

[Boss .300 winmag]

You laid out very well why I didn't vote Inslee or any dems save one in a local race

So KF, guess I'm looking at like this.  If your house caught fire, would you ask the firemen how they voted before you'd let them put it out?  As hunters, our house is starting to burn.  Let's work to put it out and we can argue who's to blame and how it started later.  Personally I'm more than happy to address a dialog that involves cross party voting or really any other ideas that might help. I just feel, so to speak, that we're standing in the driveway calling each other names while the fire rages on.

Your logic train has no tracks, but I'll go with it.. I vote for "firefighters" 

You vote for arsonists when it comes to wildlife, individual rights and quality of life. 
Hell, the dems even use BLM and Antifa to burn crap down so maybe there is something to this logic train after all.

"Let's work to put it out and we can argue who's to blame and how it started later"
 

Who's to blame, and how it started is the first step to fixing it!  Votes gotta change enough that we can get "firefighters" in and that's all there is to it. 

OK we can start wherever you'd like, point is we need to start some sort of dialog. IF we could get just 10% of the licensed hunters to band together we'd have a voting block of 17,000 votes.  Get them to pop in just $20.00 each and you have a $340,000 war chest to pass around. Plug in 20% of the licensed hunters and you have a fairly formidable voting block and a tempting war chest. We may only have 2-3% of the population, but banded together we could put together a PAC that would get the attention of lots of candidates.   We just need to quit the squabbling,  whining and crying and start putting something together.  If I were 20 years younger I'd sure as hack pursue it, but now certainly ld support and encourage others I know to support. Heck, I'll be right there supporting you if you want to start gluing it together.

I’m sure alot of us would donate more than $20 if a pac got started.

@Special T

[baldopepper]

You laid out very well why I didn't vote Inslee or any dems save one in a local race

So KF, guess I'm looking at like this.  If your house caught fire, would you ask the firemen how they voted before you'd let them put it out?  As hunters, our house is starting to burn.  Let's work to put it out and we can argue who's to blame and how it started later.  Personally I'm more than happy to address a dialog that involves cross party voting or really any other ideas that might help. I just feel, so to speak, that we're standing in the driveway calling each other names while the fire rages on.

Your logic train has no tracks, but I'll go with it.. I vote for "firefighters" 

You vote for arsonists when it comes to wildlife, individual rights and quality of life. 
Hell, the dems even use BLM and Antifa to burn crap down so maybe there is something to this logic train after all.

"Let's work to put it out and we can argue who's to blame and how it started later"
 

Who's to blame, and how it started is the first step to fixing it!  Votes gotta change enough that we can get "firefighters" in and that's all there is to it. 

OK we can start wherever you'd like, point is we need to start some sort of dialog. IF we could get just 10% of the licensed hunters to band together we'd have a voting block of 17,000 votes.  Get them to pop in just $20.00 each and you have a $340,000 war chest to pass around. Plug in 20% of the licensed hunters and you have a fairly formidable voting block and a tempting war chest. We may only have 2-3% of the population, but banded together we could put together a PAC that would get the attention of lots of candidates.   We just need to quit the squabbling,  whining and crying and start putting something together.  If I were 20 years younger I'd sure as hack pursue it, but now certainly ld support and encourage others I know to support. Heck, I'll be right there supporting you if you want to start gluing it together.

I’m sure alot of us would donate more than $20 if a pac got started.

@Special T

I suspect that based on the anger and frustration many of us feel, something like this put together might snowball faster than we think. I'm sure many on here would love to have a viable way of fighting back.

[harveymarv]

You laid out very well why I didn't vote Inslee or any dems save one in a local race

So KF, guess I'm looking at like this.  If your house caught fire, would you ask the firemen how they voted before you'd let them put it out?  As hunters, our house is starting to burn.  Let's work to put it out and we can argue who's to blame and how it started later.  Personally I'm more than happy to address a dialog that involves cross party voting or really any other ideas that might help. I just feel, so to speak, that we're standing in the driveway calling each other names while the fire rages on.

Your logic train has no tracks, but I'll go with it.. I vote for "firefighters" 

You vote for arsonists when it comes to wildlife, individual rights and quality of life. 
Hell, the dems even use BLM and Antifa to burn crap down so maybe there is something to this logic train after all.

"Let's work to put it out and we can argue who's to blame and how it started later"
 

Who's to blame, and how it started is the first step to fixing it!  Votes gotta change enough that we can get "firefighters" in and that's all there is to it. 

OK we can start wherever you'd like, point is we need to start some sort of dialog. IF we could get just 10% of the licensed hunters to band together we'd have a voting block of 17,000 votes.  Get them to pop in just $20.00 each and you have a $340,000 war chest to pass around. Plug in 20% of the licensed hunters and you have a fairly formidable voting block and a tempting war chest. We may only have 2-3% of the population, but banded together we could put together a PAC that would get the attention of lots of candidates.   We just need to quit the squabbling,  whining and crying and start putting something together.  If I were 20 years younger I'd sure as hack pursue it, but now certainly ld support and encourage others I know to support. Heck, I'll be right there supporting you if you want to start gluing it together.

I’m sure alot of us would donate more than $20 if a pac got started.

@Special T

Hunter's Heritage Council (HHC) is an existing pro-hunting PAC in WA, and they can take donations:

http://huntersheritagecouncil.org/index.html

They are the only pro-hunting PAC in WA I am aware of.

[Moose Master]

I reached out to a retired lobbyists to pick his brain as far of what sort of support it takes to get good messaging and bills passed.  Also what sort of money it takes to BE a PAC that's has some sway.  Don't know if he is traveling or what but will circle back if I  hear from him.

[Humptulips]

I reached out to a retired lobbyists to pick his brain as far of what sort of support it takes to get good messaging and bills passed.  Also what sort of money it takes to BE a PAC that's has some sway.  Don't know if he is traveling or what but will circle back if I  hear from him.

Why recreate what we already have. HHC just needs some help IMO, talented people and money.

[baldopepper]

You laid out very well why I didn't vote Inslee or any dems save one in a local race

So KF, guess I'm looking at like this.  If your house caught fire, would you ask the firemen how they voted before you'd let them put it out?  As hunters, our house is starting to burn.  Let's work to put it out and we can argue who's to blame and how it started later.  Personally I'm more than happy to address a dialog that involves cross party voting or really any other ideas that might help. I just feel, so to speak, that we're standing in the driveway calling each other names while the fire rages on.

Your logic train has no tracks, but I'll go with it.. I vote for "firefighters" 

You vote for arsonists when it comes to wildlife, individual rights and quality of life. 
Hell, the dems even use BLM and Antifa to burn crap down so maybe there is something to this logic train after all.

"Let's work to put it out and we can argue who's to blame and how it started later"
 

Who's to blame, and how it started is the first step to fixing it!  Votes gotta change enough that we can get "firefighters" in and that's all there is to it. 

OK we can start wherever you'd like, point is we need to start some sort of dialog. IF we could get just 10% of the licensed hunters to band together we'd have a voting block of 17,000 votes.  Get them to pop in just $20.00 each and you have a $340,000 war chest to pass around. Plug in 20% of the licensed hunters and you have a fairly formidable voting block and a tempting war chest. We may only have 2-3% of the population, but banded together we could put together a PAC that would get the attention of lots of candidates.   We just need to quit the squabbling,  whining and crying and start putting something together.  If I were 20 years younger I'd sure as hack pursue it, but now certainly ld support and encourage others I know to support. Heck, I'll be right there supporting you if you want to start gluing it together.

I’m sure alot of us would donate more than $20 if a pac got started.

@Special T

Hunter's Heritage Council (HHC) is an existing pro-hunting PAC in WA, and they can take donations:

http://huntersheritagecouncil.org/index.html

They are the only pro-hunting PAC in WA I am aware of.

with all do respect, they don't seem to be winning many battles. Maybe we're just not seeing them, but name recognition isn't very strong in the general hunting community either. I'll do a little more research and certainly won't discount their efforts until I have. I just think it's time to try a new, perhaps more aggressive tact than what I've been seeing

[Moose Master]

I reached out to a retired lobbyists to pick his brain as far of what sort of support it takes to get good messaging and bills passed.  Also what sort of money it takes to BE a PAC that's has some sway.  Don't know if he is traveling or what but will circle back if I  hear from him.

Why recreate what we already have. HHC just needs some help IMO, talented people and money.

If you read my comment it's more about what it takes not disparaging HHC and or it's operation.  A PAC has limitations  and bridgein those obstacles is key to be successful.  Exploring options and trying to learn how it works.

[KFhunter]

I reached out to a retired lobbyists to pick his brain as far of what sort of support it takes to get good messaging and bills passed.  Also what sort of money it takes to BE a PAC that's has some sway.  Don't know if he is traveling or what but will circle back if I  hear from him.

Why recreate what we already have. HHC just needs some help IMO, talented people and money.

If you read my comment it's more about what it takes not disparaging HHC and or it's operation.  A PAC has limitations  and bridgein those obstacles is key to be successful.  Exploring options and trying to learn how it works.

So you want a PAC that will fund candidates that are the exact opposite of everyone you tend to vote for?   

And you'd send money to it?

[Moose Master]

I reached out to a retired lobbyists to pick his brain as far of what sort of support it takes to get good messaging and bills passed.  Also what sort of money it takes to BE a PAC that's has some sway.  Don't know if he is traveling or what but will circle back if I  hear from him.

Why recreate what we already have. HHC just needs some help IMO, talented people and money.

If you read my comment it's more about what it takes not disparaging HHC and or it's operation.  A PAC has limitations  and bridgein those obstacles is key to be successful.  Exploring options and trying to learn how it works.

So you want a PAC that will fund candidates that are the exact opposite of everyone you tend to vote for?   

And you'd send money to it?

Where did I say that?  The interest was relative to wildlife, hunting and fishing.  Reality of the world in hunting is that WE HUNTERS do need help in protecting our passion.  It's going to take people from all sides to engage and help with our common goals.  One side cannot get it done..........

[Boss .300 winmag]

I reached out to a retired lobbyists to pick his brain as far of what sort of support it takes to get good messaging and bills passed.  Also what sort of money it takes to BE a PAC that's has some sway.  Don't know if he is traveling or what but will circle back if I  hear from him.

Why recreate what we already have. HHC just needs some help IMO, talented people and money.

If you read my comment it's more about what it takes not disparaging HHC and or it's operation.  A PAC has limitations  and bridgein those obstacles is key to be successful.  Exploring options and trying to learn how it works.

So you want a PAC that will fund candidates that are the exact opposite of everyone you tend to vote for?   

And you'd send money to it?

Where did I say that?  The interest was relative to wildlife, hunting and fishing.  Reality of the world in hunting is that WE HUNTERS do need help in protecting our passion.  It's going to take people from all sides to engage and help with our common goals.  One side cannot get it done..........

The foxes have been in the hen house long enough, we need to get rid of the foxes.😉