Would 9mm deter a Cougar?

[simondude]

If it can tear a human lung from out of the body I would think it should be fine for a cat.

[KFhunter]

Can you carry a modern firearm during muzzleloading seasons?

You can *always carry a modern handgun for self defense while engaging in an outdoor activity.  It doesn't fall under the hunting umbrella of laws, until you "hunt" with it. If you "hunt" with it, then it needs to comply with hunting restrictions on handguns, if you tag a self defense killed animal, then you hunted it.  If you killed it under self defense, then it gets surrendered to WDFW and ends up in a dump.

*Other than felons etc, which couldn't muzzleloader hunt anyways.

Remember that using a modern firearm to hunt big game during a muzzleloader season is not legal.

Self defense is, so its up to the officer if they'll let you tag it, if otherwise legal,  I think you have a good chance of bringing it home

A "hunted" cougar is better than a "self defense" cougar for WDFW in the media

[duckmen1]

Just listen to Biden on the subject. The cougars lungs would fly out of its body if hit with a 9mm. Must be an amazing round. 

[bornhunter]

As mentioned 9mm is fine for a cat.  I always have a cat and bear tag in my pocket, so pack my 357mag with 5" barrel during archery season so can keep the animal.

That's rare to see a cat in daylight like that.  I frequently see them at night when hiking back to backcoutnry camp during archery elk season in our favorite spot.  Usually just the young ones, never see mature ones.  The young ones are very curious and like to follow us at night as we make our way back to camp from our evening hunt.  But they never advance inside 20 yards, and run off when we yell or chase them.  Can't legally shoot them in the dark unless it's self defense, and we always talk to them and dare them to show their face during daylight hours....they never do.  Lots of non-hunting backpackers up there, so not going to shoot a cat at night unless it's legally warranted or we'll end up with more trouble than it's worth.  But one of these days I hope to fill my cougar tag up there in daylight hours.

I was told if you are archery hunting and come across a cougar and you have a cougar tag you cant take the cat with a handgun but must take it with your bow. True?

This is the muzzleloader WAC: https://app.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=220-414-060

"In addition to the above requirements, it is unlawful to participate (hunt) in a muzzleloading hunting season using a firearm that does not meet the following specifications for a muzzleloader. However, a modern handgun may be carried for personal protection. Modern handguns cannot be used to hunt big game or dispatch wounded big game during a big game hunting season for muzzleloading firearms.:

This the archery WAC: https://app.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=220-414-070

"It is unlawful for any person to carry or have in his possession any firearm while archery hunting in the field during an archery season specified for that area, except for modern handguns carried for personal protection. Modern handguns cannot be used to hunt big game or dispatch wounded big game during an archery big game hunting season."

I suppose an enforcement officer could interpret it differently, but to me it would be illegal to use a handgun to kill a big game animal for a reason other than self defense during an archery or muzzleloader season.

That is the way I took it. I had my 44 with me and had an easy 15 yard shot but I took my cat with my bow because of the language in the regs. The cat was treed up so I actually had time to look at the regs before shooting. The bio in Olympia agreed but he didnt seem to well versed on the regs.

[KFhunter]

imo - any dangerous animal at 15 yards,  that knows you're there, is a self defense situation

[Guy]

A friend of mine had just left her horses and other animals for the evening and was walking back to her house when she encountered a mountain lion on her property, between her barn and her home. She shot it with her 9mm Glock, wounding it, then followed it a short way and shot it again, killing it.

She'd practiced with me two or three times a few months ago. Obviously those lessons took hold. She did real well.

WDFW and the local Sheriff's deputies responded. All was well. It was ruled a legal shoot.

Regards, Guy

[carpsniperg2]

At close range any 9mm will be more than enough to kill a lion. Plenty of people have killed black bears with them and also a few grizz I have read about over the years.

The 9mm is not a powerhouse but its very effective at close range. I have butchered beef with a 9mm to test bullets and have killed them stone dead with a close range melon shot.

[kenjo]

If you decide to carry a 9mm for self defense against 2 or 4 legged predators, the same rules apply: Carry the bullet that would be most effective against the attacker, and practice, practice, practice. Loading your pistol with a magic silver bullet won't do any good if you can't make an effective hit while the adrenalin is flowing and your hands are shaking. Carry the pistol where it will be quickly accessible and be able to draw and fire an accurate shot quickly enough to stop the threat. On the bright side, the chances of having another close encounter with a cougar is slim.

[dreadi]

I once shot an elk with a Glock 19 and Winchester JHP. The bullet did not penetrate the hide. I fleshed the hide the next day and found the bullet in the hide. It was not the right bullet for a kill shot and I later changed to carrying 10MM.


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[JimmyHoffa]

I once shot an elk with a Glock 19 and Winchester JHP. The bullet did not penetrate the hide. I fleshed the hide the next day and found the bullet in the hide. It was not the right bullet for a kill shot and I later changed to carrying 10MM.


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Yeah, the bullet design can be critical.  A buddy had to shoot a blacktail a number of times with his FNAR in .308 Win due to bullets not really delivering.  They would penetrate the hide, but not go through the shoulder and the ones that went in behind the shoulder barely made it to the opposite side rib cage.  When he grabbed a few boxes of ammo it was the CXP1 stuff for varmints and didn't notice.

[pickardjw]

https://www.americanhunter.org/content/alaska-outfitter-defends-fishermen-from-raging-grizzly-with-9mm-pistol/

[andrew_in_idaho]

I shot my mountain lion with a .17, pretty sure a 9mm will kill it


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[buckfvr]

imo - any dangerous animal at 15 yards,  that knows you're there, is a self defense situation

Should they decide, they can close that distance so fast as to be a blink of the eye.  I wont tolerate an aggressive predator, if it doesnt vamoose as soon as it encounters me at in the neighborhood of 15yds and is still fronting me, I have to  assume  further hesitation on my behalf would lead to an attack.     

[AdnaHunter]

It’ll blow the lung right out

[jackelope]