STOP KILLING THE BABY MAKERS

[Jonathan_S]

What's the connection to this topic? Also, "upping" nonresident tags in Wyoming?

[MountainWalk]

And if I want to burn a cow moose tag for my own reasons, that doesn’t make me an “anti “….

[jrebel]

The folks all for JR blasting a doe so he can kill something so pops feels like they have something in common, are probably the ones moaning about places like WY uppin non res tags.

You have no idea what your talking about.  Just running your mouth to hear your lips flapping.  Move on.......

And if I want to burn a cow moose tag for my own reasons, that doesn’t make me an “anti “….

If your burning it for the sole reason of depriving others from the legal opportunity to hunt.....at a minimum it makes you....well I can't call names so I will leave that open ended.  It's very closely related to a donkey though.....

[huntnfmly]

What's the connection to this topic? Also, "upping" nonresident tags in Wyoming?

None

[MountainWalk]

@jrebel…..hahaha,,, I’ll wait.

[grundy53]

Some very good point/views from both sides of the aisle.

Most here are stuck in their beliefs (right or wrong) and won't be persuaded.

Appears that those who have had many successful seasons killing "trophy" type bucks/bulls lean hard 1 way
Those who just enjoy hunting/eating and are not the stereotypical "horn hunters"  hard the other way.

Bone and JR both have very valid points.


How is it resolved....................Definitely not like this thread is going. 

I must be an aberration then. I am absolutely not a trophy hunter. Never killed anything that would be mistaken as one. I hunt for meat and the sport. But I totally agree with Bone. Our deer herds are in terrible shape. Yet people want to kill does. Killing does is a management tool to lower or maintain a population. Do you guys want to lower or maintain or current deer population?

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[KFhunter]

 

pretty easy cut/dry question

[Tbar]

pretty easy cut/dry question

As stated earlier.  Some of the harvest is viewed through a social tolerance lens and is considered compensatory.

[GWP]

It really needs to be on a GMU by GMU basis. Islands are a good example. Around the coast as well. Stupid with deer. Lots of elk too. The problem is finding places to hunt them.

[teanawayslayer]

I agree completely with you bone. Our state has no idea to manage our animals. I get a tag which I put in for will also burn it. If the state can’t mage it properly I will do my part to do what I think is right.

[KFhunter]

pretty easy cut/dry question

As stated earlier.  Some of the harvest is viewed through a social tolerance lens and is considered compensatory.

what a joke, I'd take your comment more seriously if livestock operations were compensated for the true cost of predators that were foisted upon them with a sham for public input and process, and a wolf plan that's a slap in the face for anyone who considered co-exist options

or if cattle operations enjoyed the same level of considerations as big timber companies where bears are killed by the 100's by APHIS contract killers when it could be done with hunters

or if small ag producers get to enjoy free tags to hand out to their buddies too

or if the comission weren't so emboldened as to freely admit the science and population was there to have a spring bear hunt, but that social considerations was more important contrary to their mission statement and purpose of their jobs

 

[NOCK NOCK]

Hmmm,
Lots of arm chair quarterbacking. Any of ya'll posters have a degree in wildlife management, with your main studies being ungulates?
Sure we all have emotions that lead us to believe WDFW is surely doing a bad job, But we are not Bios........I will take their advise (on whether or not does should be harvested) long before any members on here. They have done the schooling and work in this field daily.
Yes I spend ALOT of time in the woods, hunting camping, recreating, etc, and am VERY aware of the herd conditions in the areas I frequent.

There is managing game, and managing hunters, totally different things.

Like it or not, JRebel is SPOT ON, and has a very valid point.

[brew]

So I need some clarification if my ancestors are rolling in their Graves or not...Tuesday morning a co-worker's buddy called him about 0730 saying he saw a sedan perform a 2-7 split on a couple antlerless elk on Mountain Hwy and 304th.  Seems the herd ran into the road and the oncoming sedan smacked a cow and sent her spinning into another yearling in the 7 pin location.  We were fortunate enough to take advantage of the salvage situation and now have a fridge and freezer full of antlerless elk meat...should we feel bad about capitalizing on the decline of the herd or should we work on legislation on banning vehicles ?  Or both ?  Can someone please let me know how I should feel about this as I want to make sure my ethics align with everyone else's?

[KFhunter]

Hmmm,
Lots of arm chair quarterbacking. Any of ya'll posters have a degree in wildlife management, with your main studies being ungulates?
Sure we all have emotions that lead us to believe WDFW is surely doing a bad job, But we are not Bios........I will take their advise (on whether or not does should be harvested) long before any members on here. They have done the schooling and work in this field daily.
Yes I spend ALOT of time in the woods, hunting camping, recreating, etc, and am VERY aware of the herd conditions in the areas I frequent.

There is managing game, and managing hunters, totally different things.

Like it or not, JRebel is SPOT ON, and has a very valid point.

It seems to me, that a degree in wildlife management is proof of indoctrination. It's a hindrance when it comes to listening to those with intimate knowledge dating back decades. 

Yaaa, no.  A piece of paper does not impress me. 

Are there wildlife bio's I listen too?  Heck ya!  but they rarely post here (and they no longer work for WDFW    )   

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and another issue nock nock, what if the goals of the managers do not align with your own?  Ask the bio's you trust what their goals are, and what they're trying to do to reach them

[boneaddict]

I think a degree in poli sci is more appropriate these days.   JReb has lots of good points, but he went whacko on me in this thread and I tuned him out.   
Which points did you like of his the most.  The one where I’m not an eco terrorist, or I am an ego something or other, or the one where  I’m so high on my pedestal.