new dd pup

[Lee Root]

Here is the pup I am keeping out of my "D' litter. She is a Deutsch-Drahthaar. Her name is Dharma, and she is going to be a handful.  She will be used primarily as a chukar dog, but with the versatility of a Drahthaar she will hunt all of our upland birds, waterfowl, rabbits, and will be trained to blood track.  Lee

[NW-GSP]

very cute, Isnt it illegal in wa to use dogs to find downed game?

[nw_bowhunter]

cool looking pup")

[Happy Gilmore]

it could be a blood trail from a wing shot pheasant...great looking pup!

[NW-GSP]

I was just hoping he knew something I didnt cause I would love to be able to train my gsp pup for blood tracking 

[Lee Root]

NWGSP,  You are correct as far as I know that you cannot use a dog in the pursuit of big game.  I train my dogs to blood track because I take them through a test that requires them to be able to follow a blood track that is at least 4 hours old and 400 meters long.  I can opt to test them on a track that is laid the day before also.  Real advanced blood tracking test test the dogs on 20 and 40 hour old tracks.  I believe that each track, whether it is 400 meters or 1000 meters for the 20 and 40 hour tracks, uses the same amount of blood for the track.  200 milliliters is all they get.  Oh and as a handler, you get no clues as to where the track is except at the start when the judges say the animal left here and went that-a-way........Your dog is on a 10 meter tracking lead and they literally will drag you to the end of the track.

How many dead deer have you found that hunters have not recovered?  Many states do allow for recovery of shot game by leashed dogs.  Too bad this isn't one of them as it would be cool to help people find their lost animals.  Lee

[Wenatcheejay]

Beautiful dog Lee. Glad to see that you are going to use the dog to track. That is an awesome skill. I have been with people in other States that use their dogs. It makes things much more efficient. Washington & efficient don't go together.

[merlo105]

Beautiful "German-wirehair", People use the words Deutsch-Drathaar for the dog but yet, The Deutsch Drathaar came from a group of guys who had German wirehairs who selectively bred them with one another in a group to have the best and there for called there dogs Deutsch Drathaar. Beings there dead, it means that it is just a wirehaired even though Drathaar means wire hair. Heads up...

[NW-GSP]

Beautiful "German-wirehair", People use the words Deutsch-Drathaar for the dog but yet, The Deutsch Drathaar came from a group of guys who had German wirehairs who selectively bred them with one another in a group to have the best and there for called there dogs Deutsch Drathaar. Beings there dead, it means that it is just a wirehaired even though Drathaar means wire hair. Heads up...

You are very wrong about the Deutsch-Drathaar! Read the info below. I researched the DD before getting my gsp and it was a toss up between the two but my wife thought the gsp pups were cuter but my next dog will be a DD

The Deutsch Drahthaar was created in Germany in the late 19th century by a small group of dedicated breeders who set out to develop a versatile hunting dog that would satisfy all aspects of German hunting in field, forest, and water. This group of breeders succeeded in creating a versatile hunting dog that took its traits from the best dogs of the existing coarse hair breeds, cross bred with the shorthair blood. These ancestors included the Stichelhaar, Pudelpointer, Griffon, and the Deutsch-Kurzhaar.

The Deutsch Drahthaar is a mid-sized, substantial dog. The height at shoulder varies from around 61 to 68 cm for males, and 57 to 64 cm for females. The coat is generally wiry, and tightly fit with a thick under wool. This coat was developed to provide optimal protection form external influences such as moisture, cold and heat, as well as thorns, brush and insects. The extended "eyebrows" and the typical beard give the DD his characteristic appearance. The breed has a variety of colorations. They are: brown and white or black and white ticked usually with some solid patches, and solid brown with or without a white chest patch.
   

History of the DD
   

A group of breeders founded the Verein Deutsch Drahthaar (VDD) in May 1902. The driving force behind the Deutsch-Drahthaar, Freiherr Sigismund of Zedlitz and Neukirch, demanded that the primary breeding goal of the hunting dog be versatile performance ability. His thoughts became the principle of the VDD breeding program: "through performance to standard". This principle is still upheld today, with registered breeders following a tradition of required performance and physical evaluation for all of the dogs used in the breeding program.

Many breeders of the German Wirehaired Pointer (GWP) errantly refer to their breed as Drahthaar. In addition to significant differences in breed standard, the Wirehair has been bred without regulation or restriction since the late 1950’s, but especially without the performance testing that proves the ability of the Drahthaar. After years of unrestricted breeding and no versatile performance standards the German Wirehaired Pointer has evolved into a distinctly separate breed. Click here for a little more history on the German Wirehaired Pointer (GWP).

Today's DD is the dog most frequently used by the German hunting establishment, and is rapidly gaining popularity elsewhere, and that is not without reason. The Deutsch-Drahthaar is a passionate, hard-working dog. They are noted for their endurance and willingness to obey, as well as the ability to concentrate on the work at hand. Many breeders of the German Wirehaired Pointer (GWP) errantly refer to their breed as Drahthaar. In addition to significant differences in breed standard, the Wirehair has been bred without regulation or restriction since the late 1950’s, but especially without the performance testing that proves the ability of the Drahthaar. After years of unrestricted breeding and no versatile performance standards the German Wirehaired Pointer has evolved into a distinctly separate breed.After persistently searching the field with a sensitive nose, the DD shows the game by pointing, so that the hunter comes to a calm shot. Shot birds are hunted down and retrieved to the master. In particular, DD's exhibit the characteristic of a retriever of lost game. They do this by their inbred capacity to track and pursue (and even dispatch) wounded game persistently and uncompromisingly in some of the most difficult conditions. This saves the game from unnecessary suffering. Their endurance, swimming ability and heavy coat also make them well suited to waterfowl hunting in the most adverse conditions.

While the Deutsch-Drahthaar is a superb hunting companion, they are also well suited as a family dog. DD's are normally gentle and friendly with children and other dogs, and are known to become protective of their "family" and home. Their intelligence and calm manner help them in adjusting to various living conditions. VDD Breeding Regulations specify that DD's who show unwarranted aggressiveness toward people or other dogs are to be removed from the breeding program, so these traits do not get passed on.

As with all genuine hunting/working dogs, the DD needs legitimate specialty training and consistent guidance. Only when given sufficient training and activity does he seem content.

To get a close up look at this truly versatile hunting companion, please go to our contact page to look for someone in your area. If there is no one in your immediate area, please contact the closest person. He/She can help you to locate a VDD/GNA member in your area.

[PacificNWhunter]

Beautiful pup, I would like to get a drathaar in the future. My GSP is enough dog for now. Great looking dogs for sure.

[The Weazle]

Lee,
Nice pup!  I would love to get a puppy from you someday.  Being in the Navy, I dont have the time to dedicate to such a wonderful breed, and wouldnt do it justice.  I have talked to you on the phone, and in another 5 years or so, when I "retire" I am going to try and adopt one of your wonderful pups if your still breeding.

[merlo105]

http://www.myoutdoortv.com/hunting-microsite/a-dogs-life.html, This is all Im saying.

[Lee Root]

Beautiful "German-wirehair", People use the words Deutsch-Drathaar for the dog but yet, The Deutsch Drathaar came from a group of guys who had German wirehairs who selectively bred them with one another in a group to have the best and there for called there dogs Deutsch Drathaar. Beings there dead, it means that it is just a wirehaired even though Drathaar means wire hair. Heads up...

merlo105, 

I guess I have to take exception to my dogs being called German-Wirehairs, especially with the proof you offered

Beings there dead, it means that it is just a wirehaired even though Drathaar means wire hair. Heads up...

.  But since I just spent the last half hour watching the video link you provided I won't harp on the point to harshly. Linda Franklin is one of the countries biggest promoters of the DD.  (She is now, Linda Krull, as she married the guy whose ranch the video was filmed on.) My first DD was the son of a dog that Linda Franklin imported to the US for breeding purposes.  I have talked to Linda several times on the phone to get information on Janko vom Swaneburg, my dog's father.  I have seen several of the dogs that Linda has bred, as a matter of fact yesterday I trained with a guy who has one of her pups down in the Palouse.  The video does a good job of explaining the difference between and American bred AKC or Navhda registered wirehair and the Deutsch-Drahthaar.  If I may, I will tell you that the video makes my point better than it does your point.

 I joined the Verein Deutsch-Drahtaar in 2001 after sending in my deposit for Blaze (my first DD.)  I did so after having hunted over an AKC wirehair for about 9 years.  Heidi was a great dog....for upland game.  She was the last of a backyard breeding of two AKC wirehairs, half of the pups out of that breeding were just pets, one was destined to be just a show dog.  Actually as far as I know she was the only one who was hunted hard.  She had one fault....she hated the water.  Not very versatile.  So when I decided to go with another pup, I went with the DD because I knew that each dog in her pedigree was required to show that it would do water work before it could ever be bred.  A point that both Linda and Jameson Parker made in the video. 

So please allow me to call my dogs Deutch-Drathaars.  They have the pedigrees and the tattoos to prove it.  I have taken the time to travel extensively to test them in the testing system that the VDD-GNA provides to have these dogs tested in. Because of their testing they have earned the name that they were given at birth.

Do I then tell you that you cannot get a good hunting AKC or Navhda wirehair?  Absolutely not, there are some really good dogs out there from those registries.  I just like the fact that all of our breeding DD's are tested and tested extensively before they can even be bred. 

On another note I took Dharma and her mother to the training that I told you earlier I went to yesterday and Dharma met her father "Tank" for the first time and tried to bug the hell out of him for a while.  I will post pictures when I download them off of my camera.

I hope that this helps you understand where I come from one this discussion.  As a breeder of DD's I do know what I am talking about and hope that you take this in an informative manner, as I do not want to have you think it is an attack on you.  Lee

[Lee Root]

Dharma meeting her father "Tank" for the first time.  He tolerated her for a while...

[merlo105]

Thats awesome Lee, Looks like you have some great looking Drathaars then. You see where Im comming from to many people say they have what they dont have.... I wasnt questioning your authority... How are your dogs stamina, and how are they on chukars and grouse? I have thought about getting one. I just cant get away from Setters and English Pointers. There so sure they are gonna go find birds when you take them afield.