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"The National Park Service and U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service have released a draft plan to restore grizzly bears to the North Cascades Ecosystem (NCE), a region they once roamed for thousands of years. The plan is open for public comment until November 13, 2023.
During the 45-day comment period, the agencies will gather public input to develop their final strategy on grizzly reintroduction in north-central Washington. Public comments can now be submitted here:https://parkplanning.nps.gov/commentForm.cfm?documentID=132104"

Under alternative A (no-action alternative), current management would continue, and the proposed
restoration population goal of 200 grizzly bears in the US portion of the NCE would not be achieved
because no grizzly bear population is currently present in the NCE, and grizzly bears are not expected to
recover to a sustainable population in the NCE on their own.

Alternative B would release up to 7 grizzly bears per year for 5 to 10 years until an initial population of
25 grizzly bears in the US portion of the NCE is reached. In subsequent years, additional bears could be
released as needed to help meet restoration objectives. Once an initial population of 25 grizzly bears is
reached, the restoration population goal of 200 bears in the NCE would likely be achieved in
approximately 60 to 100 years. Grizzly bears released into the NCE would benefit in the long term from
the large block of high-quality habitat that would help further the conservation of the species. The release
of grizzly bears into the NCE would require their capture and transport from other areas, and some level
of mortality may occur. However, every effort would be taken to minimize capture and transport-related
mortalities. The North Cascades Grizzly Bear Recovery Team (2004) estimates that approximately 2% of
the grizzly bear population in the NCE would be lost to human-caused mortality each year, including
mortalities associated with restoration activities. Although the removal of grizzly bears from source
populations in interior British Columbia, Montana, or Wyoming would effectively count as mortality to
those populations, the viability of source populations would not be affected. Overall, alternative B would
result in beneficial impacts on grizzly bears by restoring them to areas of high-quality habitat and
furthering conservation of the species.

Alternative C differs from alternative B only in the implementation of an ESA section 10(j) designation
for grizzly bears. Impacts on grizzly bears from capture, release, and monitoring, as well as impacts on
source populations would be the same as described under alternative B. Under alternative C, there would
be increased options for grizzly bear management, with specific rules applying to the different
management zones, as described in chapter 2. Using the ESA 10(j) designation would provide additional
management flexibility to effectively manage the grizzly bear population in and around the NCE,
including deterrence, preemptive relocation to prevent conflicts, and written authorization for conditioned
lethal take, if necessary. Without management tools to sufficiently address conflicts between grizzly bears
and humans, the escalation of conflict situations is likely to erode social tolerance for grizzly bear
restoration among some groups. Therefore, despite allowing lethal take in limited circumstances, the 10(j)
designation is expected to improve social tolerance of grizzly bears and, in turn, improve the chances of
establishing and maintaining a grizzly bear population in NCE.
« Last Edit: September 29, 2023, 10:36:04 AM by mcrawfordaf »

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Well the push is ON!!!  Keep voting D's into office people!!  :bash:  Ya think ole Inslee or Furgie going to buck the agenda????

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-admin-moves-unleash-apex-predator-near-rural-community

Notice WHO is involved?  Last paragraph!!! Been telling ya!!
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Completed comment, please do the same, thanks

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Commented: "Rarely does it work out well to move wildlife into areas where it isn't already flourishing. You guys moved mountain goats into Olympic National Park and what happened? You had to remove or kill them over the last few years at a cost of millions to us taxpayers, mainly due to human-wildlife conflict. There are reasons why the grizzly hasn't flourished in the Northern Cascades and there are plenty of reasons why this would be a dumb idea now. Human-wildlife conflict, degradation of habitat, changes in the stress on ungulate populations, proximity to human-inhabited areas due to migration related to food source, habitat changes, etc. In addition, when you set numbers for restoration goals toward management, you don't account for (or object to) the fact that law suits prevent necessary management once those goals are met, leading to overpopulation and increasing conflict, as has happened in Montana. As a result of your previous actions, the residents of Montana are stuck with an ever-growing population of extremely dangerous apex predators that can't be controlled.

This program is a mistake and if it is accepted and grows out of control, causing harm to humans, wildlife populations, and financial security for individuals and industry, those of you who design and implement this strategy need to be held accountable for the negative results."
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 :tup: comment done!   Won't hold my breath as insanity is at play here!
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These Biodiversity hungry organizations are once again trying to shove the grizzly introduction down our throats. Thats all we need is another predator reintroduction.
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Comments sent. Why do the agencies say there are no grizzly in NCE? Out right lie trying to mislead. They can’t manage their way out of the wet paper bag. Protect wolves and bears but let caribou fade away.
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Commented: "Rarely does it work out well to move wildlife into areas where it isn't already flourishing. You guys moved mountain goats into Olympic National Park and what happened? You had to remove or kill them over the last few years at a cost of millions to us taxpayers, mainly due to human-wildlife conflict. There are reasons why the grizzly hasn't flourished in the Northern Cascades and there are plenty of reasons why this would be a dumb idea now. Human-wildlife conflict, degradation of habitat, changes in the stress on ungulate populations, proximity to human-inhabited areas due to migration related to food source, habitat changes, etc. In addition, when you set numbers for restoration goals toward management, you don't account for (or object to) the fact that law suits prevent necessary management once those goals are met, leading to overpopulation and increasing conflict, as has happened in Montana. As a result of your previous actions, the residents of Montana are stuck with an ever-growing population of extremely dangerous apex predators that can't be controlled.

This program is a mistake and if it is accepted and grows out of control, causing harm to humans, wildlife populations, and financial security for individuals and industry, those of you who design and implement this strategy need to be held accountable for the negative results."

Just a point of order and not diminishing your post...  But the goats were not introduced by NPS or USF&W staff.   They were introduced by sportsmen a decade or more before the Olympics became a park.
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If they wanted to be here in numbers they would be. There is no fence on the Canadian border and there are Grizzlies in BC
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Re: Public Comment Open on NPS & USF&W Plan to Restore Grizzly in North Cascades
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2023, 01:55:24 PM »
Commented: "Rarely does it work out well to move wildlife into areas where it isn't already flourishing. You guys moved mountain goats into Olympic National Park and what happened? You had to remove or kill them over the last few years at a cost of millions to us taxpayers, mainly due to human-wildlife conflict. There are reasons why the grizzly hasn't flourished in the Northern Cascades and there are plenty of reasons why this would be a dumb idea now. Human-wildlife conflict, degradation of habitat, changes in the stress on ungulate populations, proximity to human-inhabited areas due to migration related to food source, habitat changes, etc. In addition, when you set numbers for restoration goals toward management, you don't account for (or object to) the fact that law suits prevent necessary management once those goals are met, leading to overpopulation and increasing conflict, as has happened in Montana. As a result of your previous actions, the residents of Montana are stuck with an ever-growing population of extremely dangerous apex predators that can't be controlled.

This program is a mistake and if it is accepted and grows out of control, causing harm to humans, wildlife populations, and financial security for individuals and industry, those of you who design and implement this strategy need to be held accountable for the negative results."

Just a point of order and not diminishing your post...  But the goats were not introduced by NPS or USF&W staff.   They were introduced by sportsmen a decade or more before the Olympics became a park.

Thanks for setting me straight. Explain what you mean by sportsmen. Was it just some random guys who trapped goats and then released them? This is very interesting.
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Re: Public Comment Open on NPS & USF&W Plan to Restore Grizzly in North Cascades
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2023, 02:24:19 PM »
Commented: "Rarely does it work out well to move wildlife into areas where it isn't already flourishing. You guys moved mountain goats into Olympic National Park and what happened? You had to remove or kill them over the last few years at a cost of millions to us taxpayers, mainly due to human-wildlife conflict. There are reasons why the grizzly hasn't flourished in the Northern Cascades and there are plenty of reasons why this would be a dumb idea now. Human-wildlife conflict, degradation of habitat, changes in the stress on ungulate populations, proximity to human-inhabited areas due to migration related to food source, habitat changes, etc. In addition, when you set numbers for restoration goals toward management, you don't account for (or object to) the fact that law suits prevent necessary management once those goals are met, leading to overpopulation and increasing conflict, as has happened in Montana. As a result of your previous actions, the residents of Montana are stuck with an ever-growing population of extremely dangerous apex predators that can't be controlled.

This program is a mistake and if it is accepted and grows out of control, causing harm to humans, wildlife populations, and financial security for individuals and industry, those of you who design and implement this strategy need to be held accountable for the negative results."

Just a point of order and not diminishing your post...  But the goats were not introduced by NPS or USF&W staff.   They were introduced by sportsmen a decade or more before the Olympics became a park.

Thanks for setting me straight. Explain what you mean by sportsmen. Was it just some random guys who trapped goats and then released them? This is very interesting.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/environment/mountain-goat-relocation-begins-in-olympic-national-park/  I also had the opportunity to help on the removal project and spoke often to park and WDFW officials.  But, your original point is simply humans and animals have conflict and it has to be mitigated after the fact and after we learn lessons we should already understand.
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Re: Public Comment Open on NPS & USF&W Plan to Restore Grizzly in North Cascades
« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2023, 02:35:43 PM »
Correct me if I am wrong, but I recall the original reason for the enviro's wanted them gone was because they were eating some plant life that was on the Endangered list.  And beings that "sportsman" had them put there, they were/are not considered a "native species".  Hence their original desire was for them(the goats) to be shot and left lay.  That incurred out cry from people, so the alternative was to relocate them at taxpayers expense.  The sportsman tried to get a permit hunt going BUT you know what can of worms that stirred up!!
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Re: Public Comment Open on NPS & USF&W Plan to Restore Grizzly in North Cascades
« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2023, 02:52:48 PM »
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Re: Public Comment Open on NPS & USF&W Plan to Restore Grizzly in North Cascades
« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2023, 03:17:02 PM »
Hell I’m all for it. I think releasing a few on Tiger Summit is a good idea as well. The woods have had an issue with an invasive species know as liberals for decades now. This might be just what we need for them to give the hunters some space and for them to see first hand how dumb their ideas are.

 


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