Idaho nonresident question

[7mmfan]

As has been said, the main issue for many people is the lack of ability to purchase as a group. I have a group of 4-5 guys who used to hunt together in Idaho every year. We haven't been able to do that since they went to this system. I'd gladly keep it the way it is as long as we had a real opportunity to get the whole group tags so we could hunt together again.

[vandeman17]

As has been said, the main issue for many people is the lack of ability to purchase as a group. I have a group of 4-5 guys who used to hunt together in Idaho every year. We haven't been able to do that since they went to this system. I'd gladly keep it the way it is as long as we had a real opportunity to get the whole group tags so we could hunt together again.

For me, I don't like the ability for one person to be able to buy for as many people as they want. It theory, its nice so that you can get a group of guys like you mentioned but I can easily see this being abused down the road

[bearpaw]

The system is ok but I would suspend in-person sales on 12/1 only. Everyone needs to go through the online waiting room that day. That would eliminate the in-person advantage over others attempting to buy tags.

So you’re saying the people who took the extra effort and took time off and drove over shouldn’t be aloud to buy because  why? Early bird gets the worm bud make the extra effort

I don’t mind people buying in person but I would suggest you can only buy for yourself (and your kids/spouse).  Photo ID required.

Those buying for multiple people really crush the system whether in person or online.


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The only problem with your suggestion is that groups of friends who traditionally hunt together would not be able to get tags to hunt together. When you go in person to buy tags you can get tags for your group or family, they do not differentiate. At the regional offices they have 3 or 4 registers going. One register is for groups larger than 4, all the other registers are for 4 or less, they told everyone it might be just as slow this year but it went really smoothly.

They could accomplish the same thing online by allowing the first person to get into the system to do a group application, and purchase for their whole group, more or less like numerous states already do for group applications in draws.

I think that would be the single best improvement.

What I fear is that they will go to a draw for all non-resident deer and elk tags, this year there were 80k plus people online, that would be a lot of $18 controlled hunt fees they would gain plus the $185 hunting license that's required to apply for a controlled hunt. To top it off, we all know what happens with draws, it just gets tougher and tougher to draw tags as more and more people start applying.

[7mmfan]

As has been said, the main issue for many people is the lack of ability to purchase as a group. I have a group of 4-5 guys who used to hunt together in Idaho every year. We haven't been able to do that since they went to this system. I'd gladly keep it the way it is as long as we had a real opportunity to get the whole group tags so we could hunt together again.

For me, I don't like the ability for one person to be able to buy for as many people as they want. It theory, its nice so that you can get a group of guys like you mentioned but I can easily see this being abused down the road

Unfortunately it's already being abused by people buying in person. Giving us the ability to do it online would just allow everyone that can't drive to Idaho to buy tags to have a chance to get tags as a group. If nothing changes, I will be driving to Idaho next year.

[Mtnwalker]

The system is ok but I would suspend in-person sales on 12/1 only. Everyone needs to go through the online waiting room that day. That would eliminate the in-person advantage over others attempting to buy tags.

So you’re saying the people who took the extra effort and took time off and drove over shouldn’t be aloud to buy because  why? Early bird gets the worm bud make the extra effort

I don’t mind people buying in person but I would suggest you can only buy for yourself (and your kids/spouse).  Photo ID required.

Those buying for multiple people really crush the system whether in person or online.


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The only problem with your suggestion is that groups of friends who traditionally hunt together would not be able to get tags to hunt together. When you go in person to buy tags you can get tags for your group or family, they do not differentiate. At the regional offices they have 3 or 4 registers going. One register is for groups larger than 4, all the other registers are for 4 or less, they told everyone it might be just as slow this year but it went really smoothly.

They could accomplish the same thing online by allowing the first person to get into the system to do a group application, and purchase for their whole group, more or less like numerous states already do for group applications in draws.

I think that would be the single best improvement.

What I fear is that they will go to a draw for all non-resident deer and elk tags, this year there were 80k plus people online, that would be a lot of $18 controlled hunt fees they would gain plus the $185 hunting license that's required to apply for a controlled hunt. To top it off, we all know what happens with draws, it just gets tougher and tougher to draw tags as more and more people start applying.

Talked with a guy last night, he said him and all his buddies got their tags because they paid a guy in Idaho to do it for them. Never even had to log in. Meanwhile I took the morning off work and sat on the net for hours only to miss mine by 30 seconds, for the 3rd year in a row. Hate to be a complainer but that ain't right

[bearpaw]

The system is ok but I would suspend in-person sales on 12/1 only. Everyone needs to go through the online waiting room that day. That would eliminate the in-person advantage over others attempting to buy tags.

So you’re saying the people who took the extra effort and took time off and drove over shouldn’t be aloud to buy because  why? Early bird gets the worm bud make the extra effort

I don’t mind people buying in person but I would suggest you can only buy for yourself (and your kids/spouse).  Photo ID required.

Those buying for multiple people really crush the system whether in person or online.


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The only problem with your suggestion is that groups of friends who traditionally hunt together would not be able to get tags to hunt together. When you go in person to buy tags you can get tags for your group or family, they do not differentiate. At the regional offices they have 3 or 4 registers going. One register is for groups larger than 4, all the other registers are for 4 or less, they told everyone it might be just as slow this year but it went really smoothly.

They could accomplish the same thing online by allowing the first person to get into the system to do a group application, and purchase for their whole group, more or less like numerous states already do for group applications in draws.

I think that would be the single best improvement.

What I fear is that they will go to a draw for all non-resident deer and elk tags, this year there were 80k plus people online, that would be a lot of $18 controlled hunt fees they would gain plus the $185 hunting license that's required to apply for a controlled hunt. To top it off, we all know what happens with draws, it just gets tougher and tougher to draw tags as more and more people start applying.

Talked with a guy last night, he said him and all his buddies got their tags because they paid a guy in Idaho to do it for them. Never even had to log in. Meanwhile I took the morning off work and sat on the net for hours only to miss mine by 30 seconds, for the 3rd year in a row. Hate to be a complainer but that ain't right

That's a bit different scenario than what I referenced. With all the tag application services I'm surprised more of that isn't occurring, maybe it is occurring and I don't know it? I'm not saying it is bad or good, just that I'm unaware. 

[Mtnwalker]

The system is ok but I would suspend in-person sales on 12/1 only. Everyone needs to go through the online waiting room that day. That would eliminate the in-person advantage over others attempting to buy tags.

So you’re saying the people who took the extra effort and took time off and drove over shouldn’t be aloud to buy because  why? Early bird gets the worm bud make the extra effort

I don’t mind people buying in person but I would suggest you can only buy for yourself (and your kids/spouse).  Photo ID required.

Those buying for multiple people really crush the system whether in person or online.


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The only problem with your suggestion is that groups of friends who traditionally hunt together would not be able to get tags to hunt together. When you go in person to buy tags you can get tags for your group or family, they do not differentiate. At the regional offices they have 3 or 4 registers going. One register is for groups larger than 4, all the other registers are for 4 or less, they told everyone it might be just as slow this year but it went really smoothly.

They could accomplish the same thing online by allowing the first person to get into the system to do a group application, and purchase for their whole group, more or less like numerous states already do for group applications in draws.

I think that would be the single best improvement.

What I fear is that they will go to a draw for all non-resident deer and elk tags, this year there were 80k plus people online, that would be a lot of $18 controlled hunt fees they would gain plus the $185 hunting license that's required to apply for a controlled hunt. To top it off, we all know what happens with draws, it just gets tougher and tougher to draw tags as more and more people start applying.

Talked with a guy last night, he said him and all his buddies got their tags because they paid a guy in Idaho to do it for them. Never even had to log in. Meanwhile I took the morning off work and sat on the net for hours only to miss mine by 30 seconds, for the 3rd year in a row. Hate to be a complainer but that ain't right

That's a bit different scenario than what I referenced. With all the tag application services I'm surprised more of that isn't occurring, maybe it is occurring and I don't know it? I'm not saying it is bad or good, just that I'm unaware. 

I was just pointing out the major flaw with allowing unrepresented group buys in person. Not speaking to the prevalence of this, but I am confident it will continue to escalate if left unaddressed

[vandeman17]

The system is ok but I would suspend in-person sales on 12/1 only. Everyone needs to go through the online waiting room that day. That would eliminate the in-person advantage over others attempting to buy tags.

So you’re saying the people who took the extra effort and took time off and drove over shouldn’t be aloud to buy because  why? Early bird gets the worm bud make the extra effort

I don’t mind people buying in person but I would suggest you can only buy for yourself (and your kids/spouse).  Photo ID required.

Those buying for multiple people really crush the system whether in person or online.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The only problem with your suggestion is that groups of friends who traditionally hunt together would not be able to get tags to hunt together. When you go in person to buy tags you can get tags for your group or family, they do not differentiate. At the regional offices they have 3 or 4 registers going. One register is for groups larger than 4, all the other registers are for 4 or less, they told everyone it might be just as slow this year but it went really smoothly.

They could accomplish the same thing online by allowing the first person to get into the system to do a group application, and purchase for their whole group, more or less like numerous states already do for group applications in draws.

I think that would be the single best improvement.

What I fear is that they will go to a draw for all non-resident deer and elk tags, this year there were 80k plus people online, that would be a lot of $18 controlled hunt fees they would gain plus the $185 hunting license that's required to apply for a controlled hunt. To top it off, we all know what happens with draws, it just gets tougher and tougher to draw tags as more and more people start applying.

Talked with a guy last night, he said him and all his buddies got their tags because they paid a guy in Idaho to do it for them. Never even had to log in. Meanwhile I took the morning off work and sat on the net for hours only to miss mine by 30 seconds, for the 3rd year in a row. Hate to be a complainer but that ain't right

That's a bit different scenario than what I referenced. With all the tag application services I'm surprised more of that isn't occurring, maybe it is occurring and I don't know it? I'm not saying it is bad or good, just that I'm unaware. 

I was just pointing out the major flaw with allowing unrepresented group buys in person. Not speaking to the prevalence of this, but I am confident it will continue to escalate if left unaddressed

   Its what I was referring to is that while the intent is nice, it will get abused worse and worse every year

[pickardjw]

The in-person buying just isn't sustainable. More people learn about it every year, and people are already camping outside license dealers. I've started to lean against using the word, "fair" for making changes to the system because the people that go in person are putting forth more effort, sacrificing a day at work, etc. The people paying license vendors to buy for them before serving in-person customers has to stop. But I think the following would provide more consistent opportunity and transparency.

1. Limit in-person proxy buying to family members and one outside of family. (biggest problem with this is with the guides, they'll never let this pass. So may need a carve out for them too)
2. Login required prior to 10am MST to eliminate multiple devices.
3. Allow party applications up to 4 people online, group must be logged in and assembled in the waiting room prior to 10am MST.

[deerlick]

i know several people who drove to Idaho and did not get the tags they were after. not even super hard to get tags. so it didnt work out for everyone that drove over

[pickardjw]

i know several people who drove to Idaho and did not get the tags they were after. not even super hard to get tags. so it didnt work out for everyone that drove over

One guy said he was 4th in line or so and the license vendor walked up to the register at 10am with a sheet of paper and started entering info. Spent several minutes before helping the first guy in line. By the time he got up there his first unit was gone. That would grind my gears pretty good.

[vandeman17]

i know several people who drove to Idaho and did not get the tags they were after. not even super hard to get tags. so it didnt work out for everyone that drove over

One guy said he was 4th in line or so and the license vendor walked up to the register at 10am with a sheet of paper and started entering info. Spent several minutes before helping the first guy in line. By the time he got up there his first unit was gone. That would grind my gears pretty good.

Maybe I should be a seasonal worker at a sporting goods store in Idaho. Market myself as a hunt planner and charge for my services 

[pickardjw]

One guy said he made $1000 buying for people. Charged $100 each. That'll make it worth taking a day off work!

[millerwheeler]

Was 34th inline saw several folks in front of me not get what they wanted . Still much better than wa system

[BULLBLASTER]

I think everyone should go in person and buy 17 peoples tags.


Thatll make my odds online better.