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Re: Here come the bears
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2024, 09:49:40 PM »
Here is the NPS article I read this evening:
 https://www.nps.gov/noca/learn/news/agencies-announce-decision-to-restore-grizzly-bears-to-north-cascades.htm

I particularly was surprisedby this made up sounding  category "Under the decision, grizzly bears in the North Cascades will be designated as a nonessential experimental population under section 10(j) of the Endangered Species Act."

and note they don't specify how many were for, against,  or neutral... " Public feedback played a key role in the decision. During the fall 2023 public comment period, more than 12,000 comments were received on both the draft Environmental Impact Statement and a proposed 10(j) rule."
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Re: Here come the bears
« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2024, 05:18:06 AM »
Just goes to show you the network that the leaf lickers have when it comes to gathering people to comment for this so called experiment. Maybe the will come and eat some wolves
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Re: Here come the bears
« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2024, 05:34:22 AM »
WDFW is doing such a great job with cats, wolves and black bears, add the displaced grizzly just for fun

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Re: Here come the bears
« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2024, 06:47:34 AM »
I wonder where they are going to get these bears they are bringing here.
They will be problem bears they want to relocate from others areas. Bears that have already got in trouble living too close to people.
Also when they dump them out they don’t tie an anchor to their arse. They can and will show up anywhere. Course they’ll spend $100,000s on each bear trying to monitor it and attempt to herd it around.

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Re: Here come the bears
« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2024, 07:17:48 AM »
They have stated northern Rockies and British Columbia.  Lots of problem bears, with no hunting they have to send them somewhere and many will just try to walk home and they know it.

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Re: Here come the bears
« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2024, 07:22:21 AM »
Pretty irresponsible to be putting grizzlies in WA, especially for a "non-essential experiment". People will get hurt from this  :twocents:.

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Re: Here come the bears
« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2024, 08:04:41 AM »
It’s called “rewilding”. It’s happening globally. I remember when the Suattle river road In Darrington washed out in 2003. It was closed for a LONG time. Come to find out the Feds took advantage of the closed road to keep people out for some pet project, didn’t know what. We were getting something to eat at Clark’s in Marblemount and they had a handful of pamphlets explaining that area was designated wolf and grizzly habitat. I can’t remember exactly the layout but I do vaguely remember a map covering the north cascades. That was 20 years ago. Either the information was there and people just ignored it or the Feds just put out a tiny bit of info hoping people wouldn’t notice or both. The Sauk-Suattle tribe finally put the heat on and got the road reopened. As someone already mentioned I would be more worried about areas being closed for access.
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Re: Here come the bears
« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2024, 08:09:40 AM »
By the way, you have no say in any of this.
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Re: Here come the bears
« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2024, 08:17:35 AM »
Whistler is constantly shutting down trails due to Grizzlies. Last year they had bears just roaming towns in BC. 

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Re: Here come the bears
« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2024, 08:36:45 AM »
My dad made a good point along time ago The People who are doing this Don’t want you to have guns and they want the predators take care of the elk and deer so you don’t have to but this one might come back to bite them literally, there is hundreds if not, thousands of people up there hiking every summer.
(Where was the vote For this?) it’s not we the people anymore.
My dad came to the same conclusion. All pieces of the bigger puzzle to eventually do away with hunting, then even more restrictive gun ownership laws. Remember what party is and has been in charge while all this has been taking place in this state. Whether some don’t want to believe it or not, what we see happening regarding wolves, grizzly and the coddleing of all predators in general is political and are all being used to accomplish other agendas down the road.

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Re: Here come the bears
« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2024, 08:47:40 AM »
Whistler is constantly shutting down trails due to Grizzlies. Last year they had bears just roaming towns in BC.

Whistler has always been loaded with bears. Counted 19 bears both Grizzly and Black bear on last trip in just a couple days. Wild to be coming down a trail and come face to face with so many bears.
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Re: Here come the bears
« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2024, 08:58:53 AM »
My dad made a good point along time ago The People who are doing this Don’t want you to have guns and they want the predators take care of the elk and deer so you don’t have to but this one might come back to bite them literally, there is hundreds if not, thousands of people up there hiking every summer.
(Where was the vote For this?) it’s not we the people anymore.
My dad came to the same conclusion. All pieces of the bigger puzzle to eventually do away with hunting, then even more restrictive gun ownership laws. Remember what party is and has been in charge while all this has been taking place in this state. Whether some don’t want to believe it or not, what we see happening regarding wolves, grizzly and the coddleing of all predators in general is political and are all being used to accomplish other agendas down the road.

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Re: Here come the bears
« Reply #27 on: April 26, 2024, 09:03:48 AM »
THey are already here, and if the land would have supported more, it already would have.  As an apex predator, their only enemy is themselves basically.   THere just isnt enough food for them.   What could go wrong with a bunch of starving grizz running around?

You have a whole new mindset when in grizz country.   

THere will be lots of implications from this, including mandatory bear containers, coolers etc, closed areas and more


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Re: Here come the bears
« Reply #28 on: April 26, 2024, 10:11:28 AM »
Here is the NPS article I read this evening:
 https://www.nps.gov/noca/learn/news/agencies-announce-decision-to-restore-grizzly-bears-to-north-cascades.htm

I particularly was surprisedby this made up sounding  category "Under the decision, grizzly bears in the North Cascades will be designated as a nonessential experimental population under section 10(j) of the Endangered Species Act."

and note they don't specify how many were for, against,  or neutral... " Public feedback played a key role in the decision. During the fall 2023 public comment period, more than 12,000 comments were received on both the draft Environmental Impact Statement and a proposed 10(j) rule."

Did anybody here go to the public event in Darrington? If the public comments were in support of or split close to 50/50 they would be broadcasting it from the rooftops. The introduction is not popular outside of seattle metro and they went ahead with it anyway. Its like they held the 3 public comment events just to get peoples "permission" which never really mattered ikn the first place. They should have saved everybody the gas money and effort and just told us to kiss their asses from the start.
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Re: Here come the bears
« Reply #29 on: April 26, 2024, 10:14:28 AM »
Here is the NPS article I read this evening:
 https://www.nps.gov/noca/learn/news/agencies-announce-decision-to-restore-grizzly-bears-to-north-cascades.htm

I particularly was surprisedby this made up sounding  category "Under the decision, grizzly bears in the North Cascades will be designated as a nonessential experimental population under section 10(j) of the Endangered Species Act."

and note they don't specify how many were for, against,  or neutral... " Public feedback played a key role in the decision. During the fall 2023 public comment period, more than 12,000 comments were received on both the draft Environmental Impact Statement and a proposed 10(j) rule."

Did anybody here go to the public event in Darrington? If the public comments were in support of or split close to 50/50 they would be broadcasting it from the rooftops. The introduction is not popular outside of seattle metro and they went ahead with it anyway. Its like they held the 3 public comment events just to get peoples "permission" which never really mattered ikn the first place. They should have saved everybody the gas money and effort and just told us to kiss their asses from the start.

I went to a public session in Cashmere a few years ago when this came out. I spoke as well as left a long report on a feedback survey people took. I talked to a handful of people who were there and not a single person was in favor of it and not one person that spoke was either...
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