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I sent a letter to the NE WA legislators and copied it to the commission.

Dear Legislators,

The Washington Wildlife Commission's disregard for the cougar management recommendations of the Dept of Fish and Wildlife are indicative of a body interested only in furthering their own agenda driven goals, with no interest in the recommendations from the very agency they oversee or for the hunting opportunities for the citizens of Washington. There is clearly no regard for scientific wildlife management, public safety, or for providing mandated recreational opportunities.

Rather than having commissioners selected by a single person, the governor, I am urging the legislators of Washington to introduce legislation that reorganizes the Washington Wildlife Commission so that it is a body that better serves scientific wildlife management as well as all people of Washington.

I propose that each Fish & Game region should have 1 wildlife commissioner voted on by the people who live in that region. Since there are 6 regions a seventh commissioner is needed and I propose the 7th commissioner be appointed by the WDFW Director. A body of this makeup would truly bring the interests of all regions of the state and the biological recommendations of the Dept. of Fish & Wildlife into the decision making process, such a commission would be a far more diverse and representative decision making body.

Respectfully,

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I like the idea that everyone is thinking outside the box on this and proposing solutions.  This is how it should be done.

The only downfall I see with elected commission members is that a popularly elected official from Spokane may have absolutely no idea or understanding of fish stocks in the san juan islands.  We do not need another unqualified person making decisions about something they know nothing about.  Conversely, do you want a popularly elected official from Port Angeles making decisions about wolves in NE Washington?  Elected officials have an implicit bias that may make things much much worse.  Elections are popularity contests, not about who is the most appropriate person for the job.

In a perfect world, we have an appointer (ie Governor or Legislature) who is committed to the rule of the RCW and appoints agnostic scientists and policy wonks to the commission and removes any hint of other agendas.  Like, codify it that one commission member must have an advanced degree in fisheries, one must have an advanced degree in wildlife biology, etc etc.  Let the bios run the WDFW.  And before we go down a rabbit hole, I have met many many WDFW biologists and truly believe they are in this field for the right reasons.  I am sure there  may be an activist or two... but, in my experience, it is not the majority.
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I sent a letter to the NE WA legislators and copied it to the commission.

Dear Legislators,

The Washington Wildlife Commission's disregard for the cougar management recommendations of the Dept of Fish and Wildlife are indicative of a body interested only in furthering their own agenda driven goals, with no interest in the recommendations from the very agency they oversee or for the hunting opportunities for the citizens of Washington. There is clearly no regard for scientific wildlife management, public safety, or for providing mandated recreational opportunities.

Rather than having commissioners selected by a single person, the governor, I am urging the legislators of Washington to introduce legislation that reorganizes the Washington Wildlife Commission so that it is a body that better serves scientific wildlife management as well as all people of Washington.

I propose that each Fish & Game region should have 1 wildlife commissioner voted on by the people who live in that region. Since there are 6 regions a seventh commissioner is needed and I propose the 7th commissioner be appointed by the WDFW Director. A body of this makeup would truly bring the interests of all regions of the state and the biological recommendations of the Dept. of Fish & Wildlife into the decision making process, such a commission would be a far more diverse and representative decision making body.

Respectfully,

 :yeah:

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I like the idea that everyone is thinking outside the box on this and proposing solutions.  This is how it should be done.

The only downfall I see with elected commission members is that a popularly elected official from Spokane may have absolutely no idea or understanding of fish stocks in the san juan islands.  We do not need another unqualified person making decisions about something they know nothing about.  Conversely, do you want a popularly elected official from Port Angeles making decisions about wolves in NE Washington?  Elected officials have an implicit bias that may make things much much worse.  Elections are popularity contests, not about who is the most appropriate person for the job.

In a perfect world, we have an appointer (ie Governor or Legislature) who is committed to the rule of the RCW and appoints agnostic scientists and policy wonks to the commission and removes any hint of other agendas.  Like, codify it that one commission member must have an advanced degree in fisheries, one must have an advanced degree in wildlife biology, etc etc.  Let the bios run the WDFW.  And before we go down a rabbit hole, I have met many many WDFW biologists and truly believe they are in this field for the right reasons.  I am sure there  may be an activist or two... but, in my experience, it is not the majority.

I agree with this. I’m not sure elected positions is the way to go on this type of a commission. The problem isn’t the commission itself, but the way the governor and legislature appointed and approved the commission.

In this state, an elected commission likely wouldn’t be any better than this commission. I’d listen to arguments for it though.

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I like the idea that everyone is thinking outside the box on this and proposing solutions.  This is how it should be done.

The only downfall I see with elected commission members is that a popularly elected official from Spokane may have absolutely no idea or understanding of fish stocks in the san juan islands.  We do not need another unqualified person making decisions about something they know nothing about.  Conversely, do you want a popularly elected official from Port Angeles making decisions about wolves in NE Washington?  Elected officials have an implicit bias that may make things much much worse.  Elections are popularity contests, not about who is the most appropriate person for the job.

In a perfect world, we have an appointer (ie Governor or Legislature) who is committed to the rule of the RCW and appoints agnostic scientists and policy wonks to the commission and removes any hint of other agendas.  Like, codify it that one commission member must have an advanced degree in fisheries, one must have an advanced degree in wildlife biology, etc etc.  Let the bios run the WDFW.  And before we go down a rabbit hole, I have met many many WDFW biologists and truly believe they are in this field for the right reasons.  I am sure there  may be an activist or two... but, in my experience, it is not the majority.

I'm open to supporting a better idea, I do know the current situation is not working and I don't see future governor appointments getting any better given the primary results?  :dunno:
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I like the idea that everyone is thinking outside the box on this and proposing solutions.  This is how it should be done.

The only downfall I see with elected commission members is that a popularly elected official from Spokane may have absolutely no idea or understanding of fish stocks in the san juan islands.  We do not need another unqualified person making decisions about something they know nothing about.  Conversely, do you want a popularly elected official from Port Angeles making decisions about wolves in NE Washington?  Elected officials have an implicit bias that may make things much much worse.  Elections are popularity contests, not about who is the most appropriate person for the job.

In a perfect world, we have an appointer (ie Governor or Legislature) who is committed to the rule of the RCW and appoints agnostic scientists and policy wonks to the commission and removes any hint of other agendas.  Like, codify it that one commission member must have an advanced degree in fisheries, one must have an advanced degree in wildlife biology, etc etc.  Let the bios run the WDFW.  And before we go down a rabbit hole, I have met many many WDFW biologists and truly believe they are in this field for the right reasons.  I am sure there  may be an activist or two... but, in my experience, it is not the majority.

I agree with this. I’m not sure elected positions is the way to go on this type of a commission. The problem isn’t the commission itself, but the way the governor and legislature appointed and approved the commission.

In this state, an elected commission likely wouldn’t be any better than this commission. I’d listen to arguments for it though.

Appointments could come from the national resources committee instead of the governor. At least then if they make bad appointments the remedy is a local election 2 years away at most instead of the statewide popularity contest with a known outcome every 4.
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I think we should be careful what we wish for.

Elections at any level in this state are not going our way. Allowing the general public to vote in Commission members will not give you what you want in my opinion.

The current governor could care less. He is out of here. We need to hold future governor s and legislators feet to the fire somehow in a way to insure this crap ends.
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How bad do things have to get before we quit doing the same thing just to hope for a different result? How do we hold their feet to the fire? We tried suing Inslee, his own planted judge blocked it. Go figure. Real, actual change is the only thing that will *possibly* affect the trajectory of hunting in WA state at this point. Or we can stay on this ship and keep bailing water with a pint glass in hopes that it quits sinking

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All this state knows how to do. Same mistake over and over.

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I'm all ears for a better plan than the current plan that is getting worse and worse every year?
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The more people who keep pounding the commission and legislators with all sorts of ideas for change may eventually cause some sort of change, whatever that change may be, could it be any worse than the current situation?
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People actually need to participate to get anything moved in the right direction
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register to vote.

vote for Dave Reichert.

get everyone you know to register to vote, and vote Republican.

if sideshow Bob is our next governor, hunting will continue to be eroded by anti-commmissioners.

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Same sad story.
Spring bear should tell us this is no surprise.
Nobody really should be shocked,they did it then,they just did it with cougar. "Best available Science" is a sham wow that is only used when it fits there agenda. It's feels like credit card fraud or something.

 


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