Hunters banding together

[kodiak06]

and vehicles will kill more deer and elk every year by a wide margin over CWD deaths

Exactly. Cars will kill more deer in a 1 year span than CWD will the next 10yrs.

Incredibly naive-youve obviously never seen what cwd can do to a deer herd.   I have.  Not sure if what they're doing is right or wrong, but if you think that stuff is no big deal you are 100% wrong!

Not naive at all lol. Can you read? No one said it wasn't a big deal but to think CWD kills more than automobiles is just dumb. I've lived and hunted in state with CWD present including MI, MS, and TX,  so I'm not basing comments on google searches. Look at the number of automobile accidents in Michigan and then look at CWD deaths.  EHD kills more deer than CWD. I do know what they are doing IS NOT based on science, even the proposal said that jurisdictional closures were recommended lol.

[kodiak06]

and vehicles will kill more deer and elk every year by a wide margin over CWD deaths

Exactly. Cars will kill more deer in a 1 year span than CWD will the next 10yrs.

This is far fetched.

LOL, a lil research shows otherwise... EHD kills way more deer than CWD annually. Most of my living/hunting has been in CWD positive states. A few of those states have over a million whitetail.

[jackelope]

and vehicles will kill more deer and elk every year by a wide margin over CWD deaths

Exactly. Cars will kill more deer in a 1 year span than CWD will the next 10yrs.

This is far fetched.

LOL, a lil research shows otherwise... EHD kills way more deer than CWD annually. Most of my living/hunting has been in CWD positive states. A few of those states have over a million whitetail.

“Nationally, statewide rates may exceed 1 in 10 animals. In hotspots, rates of 1 in 4 have been reported. In captive deer, rates are much higher. A rate of nearly 4 in 5 was reported in at least one captive herd.”

Does 1 in 10 deer in a herd get killed by cars?
You might be right in the first year in Washington due to incubation periods I guess, but I have a hard time believing that 1/10 deer in a herd get killed by cars.

[baldopepper]

and vehicles will kill more deer and elk every year by a wide margin over CWD deaths

Exactly. Cars will kill more deer in a 1 year span than CWD will the next 10yrs.

This is far fetched.

LOL, a lil research shows otherwise... EHD kills way more deer than CWD annually. Most of my living/hunting has been in CWD positive states. A few of those states have over a million whitetail.

“Nationally, statewide rates may exceed 1 in 10 animals. In hotspots, rates of 1 in 4 have been reported. In captive deer, rates are much higher. A rate of nearly 4 in 5 was reported in at least one captive herd.”

Does 1 in 10 deer in a herd get killed by cars?
You might be right in the first year in Washington due to incubation periods I guess, but I have a hard time believing that 1/10 deer in a herd get killed by cars.

Obviously hes pretty convinced he operates on an intellectual level above us,  but in this case he completely misses the point. Road kill numbers are high
 but road kills don't move into an area and virtually wipe out the majority of the deer.  He seems to be saying something like we shouldn't be worrying about cancer because heart attacks kill way more people. In the same way we try to reduce cancer and heart attack deaths, we need to do every thing we can to stop.road kills and cwd.  It's not a case of let's just concentrate on the one that causes the most deaths.

[dreamingbig]

The issue is critical habitat is prioritized for agriculture.  End the supplemental feeding and have a massive herd reduction maybe to the point of ending hunting in the Yakima herd.  It'll only take one winter like 96 to be the end.  So band together as hunters to end hunting? Sounds brilliant!

They don’t really let us hunt the Yakima herd anymore.  I am not sure I care much what they do.

Does the banning of transporting bone in quarters apply to everyone including the tribes?


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[Dan-o]

The issue is critical habitat is prioritized for agriculture.  End the supplemental feeding and have a massive herd reduction maybe to the point of ending hunting in the Yakima herd.  It'll only take one winter like 96 to be the end.  So band together as hunters to end hunting? Sounds brilliant!

They don’t really let us hunt the Yakima herd anymore.  I am not sure I care much what they do.

Does the banning of transporting bone in quarters apply to everyone including the tribes?


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I don't understand what you're trying to say.
Lots of folks hunt the Yakima herd.

I'm pretty sure that ending supplemental feeding would put a big crimp in that.

[dreamingbig]

For archery…  The reduction in bull tags and the limited cow tags for has basically made it spike only.  I have moved on to better uses of my time.

When you take away opportunities you lose people who use to care and fight for the resource.

[kodiak06]

and vehicles will kill more deer and elk every year by a wide margin over CWD deaths

Exactly. Cars will kill more deer in a 1 year span than CWD will the next 10yrs.

This is far fetched.

LOL, a lil research shows otherwise... EHD kills way more deer than CWD annually. Most of my living/hunting has been in CWD positive states. A few of those states have over a million whitetail.

“Nationally, statewide rates may exceed 1 in 10 animals. In hotspots, rates of 1 in 4 have been reported. In captive deer, rates are much higher. A rate of nearly 4 in 5 was reported in at least one captive herd.”

Does 1 in 10 deer in a herd get killed by cars?
You might be right in the first year in Washington due to incubation periods I guess, but I have a hard time believing that 1/10 deer in a herd get killed by cars.

Obviously hes pretty convinced he operates on an intellectual level above us,  but in this case he completely misses the point. Road kill numbers are high
 but road kills don't move into an area and virtually wipe out the majority of the deer.  He seems to be saying something like we shouldn't be worrying about cancer because heart attacks kill way more people. In the same way we try to reduce cancer and heart attack deaths, we need to do every thing we can to stop.road kills and cwd.  It's not a case of let's just concentrate on the one that causes the most deaths.

Show the stats to a specific state where CWD has moved into an area and wiped out a deer herd please. I don't think you can due to the disease impacting herds in a slow fashion with no time frame until death. There is new fawn recruitment during those LONG TERM incubation periods. EHD (blue tongue) on the other hand will knock a dent in the deer population quickly in the areas it shows up in.  I never said CWD wasn't an issue BUT, the states over reach in how they are handling it is BS. I'm very familiar with CWD and how it's spread, their natural habits will spread the disease. My point is a bill passed that had incorrect information and ignored a scientific fact they actually listed in the bill lol. You're comparing apples to oranges with the DA cancer statement btw.

[huntnnw]

For archery…  The reduction in bull tags and the limited cow tags for has basically made it spike only.  I have moved on to better uses of my time.

When you take away opportunities you lose people who use to care and fight for the resource.

  I remember when I use to spend all my vacation time off in this state to hunt. Now its only if I draw a quality tag which has been 5 years now since i have spent a single vacation day in this state. I spend it all now outta state. Sad what this state has turned into

[hughjorgan]

For archery…  The reduction in bull tags and the limited cow tags for has basically made it spike only.  I have moved on to better uses of my time.

When you take away opportunities you lose people who use to care and fight for the resource.

  I remember when I use to spend all my vacation time off in this state to hunt. Now its only if I draw a quality tag which has been 5 years now since i have spent a single vacation day in this state. I spend it all now outta state. Sad what this state has turned into

You might want to at least stay in the fight in your home state; the out of state options are going to get tougher and tougher to come by. Look at the price increases in Utah; bet other states will follow their lead.

[dreamingbig]

For archery…  The reduction in bull tags and the limited cow tags for has basically made it spike only.  I have moved on to better uses of my time.

When you take away opportunities you lose people who use to care and fight for the resource.

  I remember when I use to spend all my vacation time off in this state to hunt. Now its only if I draw a quality tag which has been 5 years now since i have spent a single vacation day in this state. I spend it all now outta state. Sad what this state has turned into

You might want to at least stay in the fight in your home state; the out of state options are going to get tougher and tougher to come by. Look at the price increases in Utah; bet other states will follow their lead.

I am still in the fight but despite all of our efforts our opportunities continue to decrease.  I am a member of the sportsmen’s alliance and I am contributing to their legal fund.

This commission and department doesn’t listen.  I can’t recall the last time I got a response from them on anything.

I have said it before and will again.  The Yakima herd is just as healthy as it was in 2015 yet the opportunity has been reduced by 95%. 


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[baldopepper]

and vehicles will kill more deer and elk every year by a wide margin over CWD deaths

Exactly. Cars will kill more deer in a 1 year span than CWD will the next 10yrs.

This is far fetched.

LOL, a lil research shows otherwise... EHD kills way more deer than CWD annually. Most of my living/hunting has been in CWD positive states. A few of those states have over a million whitetail.

“Nationally, statewide rates may exceed 1 in 10 animals. In hotspots, rates of 1 in 4 have been reported. In captive deer, rates are much higher. A rate of nearly 4 in 5 was reported in at least one captive herd.”

Does 1 in 10 deer in a herd get killed by cars?
You might be right in the first year in Washington due to incubation periods I guess, but I have a hard time believing that 1/10 deer in a herd get killed by cars.

Obviously hes pretty convinced he operates on an intellectual level above us,  but in this case he completely misses the point. Road kill numbers are high
 but road kills don't move into an area and virtually wipe out the majority of the deer.  He seems to be saying something like we shouldn't be worrying about cancer because heart attacks kill way more people. In the same way we try to reduce cancer and heart attack deaths, we need to do every thing we can to stop.road kills and cwd.  It's not a case of let's just concentrate on the one that causes the most deaths.

Show the stats to a specific states where CWD has moved into an area and wiped out a deer herd please. I don't think you can due to the disease impacting herds in a slow fashion with no time frame until death. There is new fawn recruitment during those LONG TERM incubation periods. EHD (blue tongue) on the other hand will knock a dent in the deer population quickly in the areas it shows up in.  I never said CWD wasn't an issue BUT, the states over reach in how they are handling it is BS. I'm very familiar with CWD and how it's spread, their natural habits will spread the disease. My point is a bill passed that had incorrect information and ignored a scientific fact they actually listed in the bill lol. You're comparing apples to oranges with the DA cancer statement btw.

As I outlined in another thread, the stat I'm using is the fact we watched it wipe out a herd!  No, it wasn't a quick one and done event-it was about a 4 year decline but it was catastrophic.  Proof of its effectiveness were stories from local ranchers of seeing the zombie deer and finding the carcuses of many spread thru the range, local Warden reporting the same thing and ourselves actually watching zombie deer in the final stages.Went from seeing a usual 100+ deer a day while hunting to 4 years later seeing none!  Only thing that changed in the area during that time was the discovery of cwd positive deer.. I have a home in eastern Wa. and saw first hand the devastation blue tongue caused, personally thought the state downplayed how serious it actually was. Now if you throw cwd into that mix there's a good chance the opportunity to hunt there will be meaningless.  Maybe what they're doing isn't right, no state has been able to completely corral this stuff, but personally I'd rather they over reach a bit rather than underreach. Just hope this crap doesn't decide to open shop in your area.

[kodiak06]

As I outlined in another thread, the stat I'm using is the fact we watched it wipe out a herd!  No, it wasn't a quick one and done event-it was about a 4 year decline but it was catastrophic.  Proof of its effectiveness were stories from local ranchers of seeing the zombie deer and finding the carcuses of many spread thru the range, local Warden reporting the same thing and ourselves actually watching zombie deer in the final stages.Went from seeing a usual 100+ deer a day while hunting to 4 years later seeing none!  Only thing that changed in the area during that time was the discovery of cwd positive deer.. I have a home in eastern Wa. and saw first hand the devastation blue tongue caused, personally thought the state downplayed how serious it actually was. Now if you throw cwd into that mix there's a good chance the opportunity to hunt there will be meaningless.  Maybe what they're doing isn't right, no state has been able to completely corral this stuff, but personally I'd rather they over reach a bit rather than underreach. Just hope this crap doesn't decide to open shop in your area.
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Like I said, I lived and hunted in 3 states where CWD positive tests were confirmed. It's not even comparable to blue tongue when deer herd health is compared. Either way, I'll step aside, I know that WA game commission has been trying to ban baiting state wide and they over stepped to make it a complete ban. Science used in the proposal even stated jurisdictional bans were effective. They said there were no testing procedures for cwd in game scents when in fact RT-qulc testing is done and bottles labeled as such yet they banned that as well lol.

[WWC]

Anti-hunting forces on the commission have been pushing to ban baiting for several years using CWD as an excuse. the fact is that most CWD spread is caused from transporting dead deer when you see a new hot spot with nothing else in the area. Someone on here Compared CWD to fires. you have a fire line and spot fires, spot fires are generally transport and the line is natural progression.

We are in for a fight on this issue. We cannot stop the spread of CWD we can only slow its progress.  A state wide ban on baiting does not make sense. White tailed deer seem the most susceptible to CWD. mule deer and elk seem to have less infections.  Plenty of studies have been done on the issue by universities. We need to educate ourselves more on this issue to protect our hunting heritage. If sportsmen want to save our past time we need to educate and collaborate with each other. This is our mission.

I talked with a friend in agriculture. he lamented the fact that they could not get on the same page amongst themselves. He expressed his frustration because I was talking to him about sportsmen issues which overlap agriculture. (In this case think elk feeding stations). Sportsmen make up 3% of the state's population. Farmers make up a lower percentage but overlap our interests especially because of the more recognized economic impact they have in the state.

We need people to take a dive into the deep end of the pool on this subject and others like it. Plenty of hard work is necessary beyond complaining about things that don't make sense. Look at how organized Coloradans for Responsible Wildlife Management is and their ability to push back against similar problems. It may be lead by Dan Gates, a great guy, but the states sportsmen orgs and related interests have rallied together. We are that grass roots WASHINGTON org. Your sportsmen club needs YOU to be that active representative. We are that vector to make a difference.

[CarbonHunter]

Maybe it’s time to just start hiring the professionals.

https://crowdsondemand.com/protests-rallies-and-advocacy

Obviously you are never going to get this group to show up and agree on the topic but if you take a lesson from the liberals, groups like crowds on demand can hire everyone you need and they are trained to take on councils and politicians.