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What is it......
« on: August 04, 2009, 09:11:50 PM »
When ever i look for lab pups, the seller (most) always list the hips as garenteed for  up to 2 years. When i talked with my vet, he told me most labs don't show sign of hip problems untill after 2 years of age, very few labs show befoe 2 years old.

The breeder i got my last pup from gave me the same guarantee, but they don't test for hip problems untill they are 2 years old  :dunno:

What good is it to give a gaurentee if it don't mean any thing, is it to make the buyer feel better abut the purchase?
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Re: What is it......
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2009, 09:20:13 PM »
What good is it to give a gaurentee if it don't mean any thing, is it to make the buyer feel better abut the purchase?
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Pretty much just to give you a warm fuzzy feeling about spending that much money on a dog. Not that Labs aren't worth it, best dog in the world IMO.  My Choc. Lab didn't develop hip problems until this year and she turned 8y.o. in Jan.
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Re: What is it......
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2009, 09:20:55 PM »
From my minimal experience they will refund the purchase price if the dog has bad hips after two years.

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Re: What is it......
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2009, 09:25:16 PM »
Don't get me wrong, i love labs. I lost a chocolate lab May first, he was my best friend.
Bought my daughter a yellow lab a month ago or so, and plan on getting another chocolate sooner or later, but what good does it to give a gaurentee if it don't mean *censored*........

All the breeders i have have talked to or delt with or seen advertisement for, will only give the gaurentee for "up to 2 years". After 2 years, it's your problem.
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Re: What is it......
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2009, 09:25:59 PM »
i think maybe because it's just like anything else...if you beat the crap out of something, like say a car,  a warranty will not address issues of abuse.
i think you're going to have a hard time with someone warranteeing a dogs hips when the dog is 6-7 years old and who knows what that dog has been put through? how many times has he jumped off the tailgate of a truck 4' off the ground, how many times has he jumped in and out of a boat onto the pavement, etc...all hypothetical scenarios, but anyway...
i think  above all you want certified hips...not just a  guarantee from joe shmo the dog breeder.
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Re: What is it......
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2009, 09:27:28 PM »
Hey Brandon, if you have any Chocolate males, let me know.

I am not trying to pick on any one or any breeder, just trying to get educated.  
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Re: What is it......
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2009, 09:29:17 PM »
i think maybe because it's just like anything else...if you beat the crap out of something, like say a car,  a warranty will not address issues of abuse.
i think you're going to have a hard time with someone warranteeing a dogs hips when the dog is 6-7 years old and who knows what that dog has been put through? how many times has he jumped off the tailgate of a truck 4' off the ground, how many times has he jumped in and out of a boat onto the pavement, etc...all hypothetical scenarios, but anyway...
i think  above all you want certified hips...not just a  guarantee from joe shmo the dog breeder.



Correct, but if the parents have not been checked for one reason or another  :dunno:
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Re: What is it......
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2009, 09:40:50 PM »
i think maybe because it's just like anything else...if you beat the crap out of something, like say a car,  a warranty will not address issues of abuse.
i think you're going to have a hard time with someone warranteeing a dogs hips when the dog is 6-7 years old and who knows what that dog has been put through? how many times has he jumped off the tailgate of a truck 4' off the ground, how many times has he jumped in and out of a boat onto the pavement, etc...all hypothetical scenarios, but anyway...
i think  above all you want certified hips...not just a  guarantee from joe shmo the dog breeder.



Correct, but if the parents have not been checked for one reason or another  :dunno:

then i would keep looking...certified is where it's at.
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Re: What is it......
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2009, 09:47:32 PM »
The bottom line is really that they either do or they don't have bad hips. The best thing that you can do is look at their breeding line. And research. Good luck. It don't matter what breed it is. It is all about the relationship that you develope with your dog. Me personally, I LOVE DOGS!! Some that I have owned have been better that others. But I've loved them all.

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Re: What is it......
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2009, 11:03:02 PM »
I am in the market for a dog and that is one of the issues I have thought about! I decided to go the "professional" breeder route and spend some extra money. They check the breedng parents and the grandparent's info is available too. I think it is a cheap investment in my new best friend. I love labs as friends have them, BUT, there are too many backyard breeders that push pups out and don't check for faults. (BTW, you can still get great dogs by looking at the parents!) Long story short, I want to have the best chance of a trouble free friend as possible!

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Re: What is it......
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2009, 11:13:47 PM »
Sadly enough, the best labs that I have owned were not "certified" or papered up the ass.  Anyone can say that they are certified, but is it just for a couple of years?  I have owned a few labs over the years; papered and unpapered.  Never have I come across a lab that has bad hips.  It's a gamble through my eyes.  Any dog can have bad hips, no matter what their breeding and family history is like.  Look at humans.  You have 2 perfect parents, does that mean their children are going to be perfect too.... or......  can there be a chance that something is wrong with one of their offspring???   :twocents:

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Re: What is it......
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2009, 05:29:17 AM »
a lab having ofa certified hips and eyes is not about purebred or not purebred...it's a process.

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OFA hip and elbow certifications are absolutely necessary for any Labrador being bred. Labradors with hip or elbow displasia should never be bred. The x-rays for an OFA hip certification are performed at age two or older. A Preliminary OFA, which can be done at age one, is a good advance indication of a Labrador’s hips; but does not guarantee the OFA certification performed at age two will pass. A Labrador grows between ages one and two and the joints can change. Insist on seeing, for yourself, the hip and elbow OFA certification of the dam (mother) and sire (father). All reputable breeders will freely give you a copy of each. OFA rates passing hips as Excellent, Good, and Fair and elbows as normal. These ratings are spelled out on each certificate and an OFA number is assigned.

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We have been told by people who call looking for a puppy that some breeders they have contacted informed them that it is not necessary to have the dam’s hips OFA certified, only the sire’s hips or it is not necessary to have the elbows certified. Others reported that the breeder told them the hips were x-rayed, the veterinarian performing the x-ray said the x-rays were "fine", so the breeder did not bother to send the x-rays to OFA for certification. Some have told us they were given just a number that was the supposed OFA certificate number. Always ask to see the certificates, never take someone’s word on it. If a reputable breeder has gone through the expense and effort to have x-rays taken, why would they not forward the x-rays to OFA for certification? Why would they not want to show you the passing certificates?  To learn more about OFA, please link to their website http://www.offa.org

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Re: What is it......
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2009, 12:29:22 PM »
When you get a "guarantee" on hips, eyes, etc... If the dog has bad hips or elbows, often, the breeder will require you give the dog back or put them down if you want your money back. This is the catch 22 that comes from most goofy breeders. The better ones will give you 1/2 or all your money and ask you spay your buddy. If, you are worried about it and the breeder won't put it in writing, find a better breeder who is reputable. Plenty of people right here on this board to give you good suggestions.

Certifications of the parents are what you are paying for when you buy a purebred. It is a little extra reassurance that the breeders are at least attempting to make sure the dogs being bred are producing sound, healthy pups.

Call me a snob or whatever, I think its worth every penny. Starting a dog right is 90% of how the dog turns out IMHO.
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Re: What is it......
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2009, 12:35:52 PM »
Rocky, you showing up this weekend at Peppers?
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Re: What is it......
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2009, 05:58:04 PM »
Most breeders I know give a guarantee from 26 to 28 months
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