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Offline wormfood

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need broadhead help!
« on: August 20, 2009, 07:05:38 PM »
I shoot a 70 pound Legacy and just switched to Beamen ics 340 arrows and I like the arrows with field tips but with the broadheads I have they shoot like crap. My old arrows are goldtip 7595 and with 125 thunderheads the fly extremely good with no adjustment from the field tips. I got a realllly good deal on a few dozen of the beamen's but I need some ideas on a different type of broadhead. with the ics arrows abd thunderheads the arrows fly very irregular , no grouping at all. Anybody have some ideas?

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Re: need broadhead help!
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2009, 07:22:20 PM »
Did you try the new arrows with field tips to make sure that something isn't wrong with the fletching or some other bow related issue?  Did you spin test your new arrows with the Thunderheads to make sure that the problem wasn't misaligned broadheads?  I use one of those G5 arrow square things - seems to work pretty well.

Also, not real familiar with the spines on your old arrows but is it close to a 340 or did you change your spine?  340 seems correct for the weight that you're pulling...

On the other hand, I didn't have that much luck with Thunderheads, either.  I use G5 Montecs or Strikers now but have also tried Shuttle T-Locks with good luck.  You'll have to pay a bit more, though.

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Re: need broadhead help!
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2009, 07:37:26 PM »
how long is your draw,and did you screw the same broadhead on a gold tip to see if something is out of adjustment. beman ics are not the straightest arrow made, im concerned they are not straight.

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Re: need broadhead help!
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2009, 07:59:24 PM »
I have shot the Beamens for a couple weeks now and have had no problems with field tips. A couple days ago on the broadhead range I could shoot 3 of the Beamens with thundeheads and they would go all different directions and then spin the thunderheads on the goldtips and cut fletching on off 2 of the 3 arrows. Hey I know not suppose to aim at the same spot with broadheads twice but I was frustrated. The goldtips are a heavier spine but the arrows finished only weigh 12 grams different. Wonder if the balance point moved to far forward with the thunderheads? Any one have any more sugestions for a different broadhead to try on the beamen ics 340. Oh yea my draw lengh is 29 inches

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Re: need broadhead help!
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2009, 09:43:06 PM »
If you're shooting a long arrow (29+), then you could be on the ragged edge of being under-spined.  I was in the same boat with my Switchback when I switched to 125 grain points, but the 85 grain ones I had been shooting flew perfect.  I now shoot a 300 spine with a 300 grain broadhead with great results, but I still have the 340's around for the deer hunts with the 85 grain broadheads.  It's possible changing brands of broadheads will work, but you may need to think about going to 100 grain heads.
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Re: need broadhead help!
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2009, 06:40:58 AM »
I think that Todd is on to something.  Do you have a buddy with 100 gr broadheads?  Try and borrow one of his practice heads and see if that helps (if it works it may have solved the problem for what broadhead to go buy, as well.)

As mentioned above, I use the G5 broadheads with great luck (as do the majority of my hunting partners).  I think that there are a lot of good broadheads out there...but not as cheap as Thunderheads, unfortunately.

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Re: need broadhead help!
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2009, 07:38:30 AM »
worm,

I shoot the Beaman 340 with 100 grain G5.  I think if you try the 100 grain broadhead it may be the ticket.

Good luck

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Re: need broadhead help!
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2009, 07:40:57 AM »
Be careful with those Shuttle T-Locks, they are not legal in Washington according to the regs and enforcement.

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Re: need broadhead help!
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2009, 07:44:32 AM »
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I now shoot a 300 spine with a 300 grain broadhead with great results

Is that a typo?
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Re: need broadhead help!
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2009, 07:51:29 AM »
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I now shoot a 300 spine with a 300 grain broadhead with great results

Is that a typo?

he means serious business man!!!

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Re: need broadhead help!
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2009, 08:04:26 AM »
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I now shoot a 300 spine with a 300 grain broadhead with great results

Is that a typo?

he means serious business man!!!

No messing around this year!  Them suckers hit like a ton of bricks.  In fact, they blow through every one of my 3D targets with field points on broadside shots.  The Rinehart 18-1 is the only target I've got that can stop them.  657 grain arrow flying at 239 FPS makes for 83 ft-lbs of KE and enough momentum to blow through whatever I shoot at, and that was the goal.  And they shoot like a dream to 60 yards.  A nice little bonus is the bow is near silent now, also.
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Re: need broadhead help!
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2009, 08:05:43 AM »
Be careful with those Shuttle T-Locks, they are not legal in Washington according to the regs and enforcement.

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wow,
is this still going on? even after trophy taker posted on here to prove that shuttle t are legal as they do angle back to the feather end of the shaft with a smooth and unbroken line.


back to the origional question,
another thing you could try if your arrows are long enough is to cut an inch off of one and try it because this will stiffen up the spine a bit.

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Re: need broadhead help!
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2009, 08:07:09 AM »
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I now shoot a 300 spine with a 300 grain broadhead with great results

Is that a typo?

he means serious business man!!!

No messing around this year!  Them suckers hit like a ton of bricks.  In fact, they blow through every one of my 3D targets with field points on broadside shots.  The Rinehart 18-1 is the only target I've got that can stop them.  657 grain arrow flying at 239 FPS makes for 83 ft-lbs of KE and enough momentum to blow through whatever I shoot at, and that was the goal.  And they shoot like a dream to 60 yards.  A nice little bonus is the bow is near silent now, also.
Holy Crap Todd
your broadheads weigh almost as much as my entire arrow!!! heavy arrows do shoot smooth and hit hard!

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Re: need broadhead help!
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2009, 08:08:01 AM »
What broadhead are you shooting?  I know silverflame makes some heavy 1.5in ones :dunno: :hello:
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Re: need broadhead help!
« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2009, 08:17:15 AM »
I'm not doubting the Shuttle T-Lock comment, I'm just trying to figure out where it came from (fortunately, I actually hunt with G5s and have just used Shuttle Ts in practice, so good to go.  I have had good luck with G5s and see no reason to change so not too worried about it - just more of an academic exercise to help me understand the rules a bit better.)

It is unlawful to hunt big game animals
with any arrow or bolt that does not have a
sharp broadhead, and the broadhead blade
or blades are less than seven-eighths inch
wide.
g. It is unlawful to hunt big game animals with
a broadhead blade unless the broadhead
is unbarbed and completely closed at
the back end of the blade or blades by
a smooth, unbroken surface starting at
maximum blade width forming a smooth
line toward the feather end of the shaft and
such line does not angle toward the point.

The Shuttle T's appear to be perpendicular to the bow in the back (not barbed) and are 1 1/8 wide, so meet the minimum requirement of 7/8 inch.  Why are these illegal?  The only other thing that I can think of is the shape of the blade?  However, I can't find anything that mentions the blade shape at the front of the broadhead (although it obviously can't be barbed on the back of the broadhead.)

 


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