need broadhead help!

[wormfood]

I shoot a 70 pound Legacy and just switched to Beamen ics 340 arrows and I like the arrows with field tips but with the broadheads I have they shoot like crap. My old arrows are goldtip 7595 and with 125 thunderheads the fly extremely good with no adjustment from the field tips. I got a realllly good deal on a few dozen of the beamen's but I need some ideas on a different type of broadhead. with the ics arrows abd thunderheads the arrows fly very irregular , no grouping at all. Anybody have some ideas?

[halflife65]

Did you try the new arrows with field tips to make sure that something isn't wrong with the fletching or some other bow related issue?  Did you spin test your new arrows with the Thunderheads to make sure that the problem wasn't misaligned broadheads?  I use one of those G5 arrow square things - seems to work pretty well.

Also, not real familiar with the spines on your old arrows but is it close to a 340 or did you change your spine?  340 seems correct for the weight that you're pulling...

On the other hand, I didn't have that much luck with Thunderheads, either.  I use G5 Montecs or Strikers now but have also tried Shuttle T-Locks with good luck.  You'll have to pay a bit more, though.

[grousetracker]

how long is your draw,and did you screw the same broadhead on a gold tip to see if something is out of adjustment. beman ics are not the straightest arrow made, im concerned they are not straight.

[wormfood]

I have shot the Beamens for a couple weeks now and have had no problems with field tips. A couple days ago on the broadhead range I could shoot 3 of the Beamens with thundeheads and they would go all different directions and then spin the thunderheads on the goldtips and cut fletching on off 2 of the 3 arrows. Hey I know not suppose to aim at the same spot with broadheads twice but I was frustrated. The goldtips are a heavier spine but the arrows finished only weigh 12 grams different. Wonder if the balance point moved to far forward with the thunderheads? Any one have any more sugestions for a different broadhead to try on the beamen ics 340. Oh yea my draw lengh is 29 inches

[Todd_ID]

If you're shooting a long arrow (29+), then you could be on the ragged edge of being under-spined.  I was in the same boat with my Switchback when I switched to 125 grain points, but the 85 grain ones I had been shooting flew perfect.  I now shoot a 300 spine with a 300 grain broadhead with great results, but I still have the 340's around for the deer hunts with the 85 grain broadheads.  It's possible changing brands of broadheads will work, but you may need to think about going to 100 grain heads.

[halflife65]

I think that Todd is on to something.  Do you have a buddy with 100 gr broadheads?  Try and borrow one of his practice heads and see if that helps (if it works it may have solved the problem for what broadhead to go buy, as well.)

As mentioned above, I use the G5 broadheads with great luck (as do the majority of my hunting partners).  I think that there are a lot of good broadheads out there...but not as cheap as Thunderheads, unfortunately.

[timmyg]

worm,

I shoot the Beaman 340 with 100 grain G5.  I think if you try the 100 grain broadhead it may be the ticket.

Good luck

[KillBilly]

Be careful with those Shuttle T-Locks, they are not legal in Washington according to the regs and enforcement.

You can contact Mik Mikitic at 360-902-2936, hit zero and ask for Mik

[WDFW-SUX]

I now shoot a 300 spine with a 300 grain broadhead with great results

Is that a typo?

[mossback91]

I now shoot a 300 spine with a 300 grain broadhead with great results

Is that a typo?

he means serious business man!!!

[Todd_ID]

I now shoot a 300 spine with a 300 grain broadhead with great results

Is that a typo?

he means serious business man!!!

No messing around this year!  Them suckers hit like a ton of bricks.  In fact, they blow through every one of my 3D targets with field points on broadside shots.  The Rinehart 18-1 is the only target I've got that can stop them.  657 grain arrow flying at 239 FPS makes for 83 ft-lbs of KE and enough momentum to blow through whatever I shoot at, and that was the goal.  And they shoot like a dream to 60 yards.  A nice little bonus is the bow is near silent now, also.

[BULLBLASTER]

Be careful with those Shuttle T-Locks, they are not legal in Washington according to the regs and enforcement.

You can contact Mik Mikitic at 360-902-2936, hit zero and ask for Mik

wow,
is this still going on? even after trophy taker posted on here to prove that shuttle t are legal as they do angle back to the feather end of the shaft with a smooth and unbroken line.


back to the origional question,
another thing you could try if your arrows are long enough is to cut an inch off of one and try it because this will stiffen up the spine a bit.

[BULLBLASTER]

I now shoot a 300 spine with a 300 grain broadhead with great results

Is that a typo?

he means serious business man!!!

No messing around this year!  Them suckers hit like a ton of bricks.  In fact, they blow through every one of my 3D targets with field points on broadside shots.  The Rinehart 18-1 is the only target I've got that can stop them.  657 grain arrow flying at 239 FPS makes for 83 ft-lbs of KE and enough momentum to blow through whatever I shoot at, and that was the goal.  And they shoot like a dream to 60 yards.  A nice little bonus is the bow is near silent now, also.

Holy Crap Todd
your broadheads weigh almost as much as my entire arrow!!! heavy arrows do shoot smooth and hit hard!

[WDFW-SUX]

What broadhead are you shooting?  I know silverflame makes some heavy 1.5in ones

[halflife65]

I'm not doubting the Shuttle T-Lock comment, I'm just trying to figure out where it came from (fortunately, I actually hunt with G5s and have just used Shuttle Ts in practice, so good to go.  I have had good luck with G5s and see no reason to change so not too worried about it - just more of an academic exercise to help me understand the rules a bit better.)

It is unlawful to hunt big game animals
with any arrow or bolt that does not have a
sharp broadhead, and the broadhead blade
or blades are less than seven-eighths inch
wide.
g. It is unlawful to hunt big game animals with
a broadhead blade unless the broadhead
is unbarbed and completely closed at
the back end of the blade or blades by
a smooth, unbroken surface starting at
maximum blade width forming a smooth
line toward the feather end of the shaft and
such line does not angle toward the point.

The Shuttle T's appear to be perpendicular to the bow in the back (not barbed) and are 1 1/8 wide, so meet the minimum requirement of 7/8 inch.  Why are these illegal?  The only other thing that I can think of is the shape of the blade?  However, I can't find anything that mentions the blade shape at the front of the broadhead (although it obviously can't be barbed on the back of the broadhead.)

[BULLBLASTER]

I'm not doubting the Shuttle T-Lock comment, I'm just trying to figure out where it came from (fortunately, I actually hunt with G5s and have just used Shuttle Ts in practice, so good to go.  I have had good luck with G5s and see no reason to change so not too worried about it - just more of an academic exercise to help me understand the rules a bit better.)

It is unlawful to hunt big game animals
with any arrow or bolt that does not have a
sharp broadhead, and the broadhead blade
or blades are less than seven-eighths inch
wide.
g. It is unlawful to hunt big game animals with
a broadhead blade unless the broadhead
is unbarbed and completely closed at
the back end of the blade or blades by
a smooth, unbroken surface starting at
maximum blade width forming a smooth
line toward the feather end of the shaft and
such line does not angle toward the point.

The Shuttle T's appear to be perpendicular to the bow in the back (not barbed) and are 1 1/8 wide, so meet the minimum requirement of 7/8 inch.  Why are these illegal?  The only other thing that I can think of is the shape of the blade?  However, I can't find anything that mentions the blade shape at the front of the broadhead (although it obviously can't be barbed on the back of the broadhead.)

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,30334.135.html

read this thread, there is a lot of good info.

[halflife65]

Yeah, thanks for pointing out that thread - don't know how I missed it the first time.  Great thread - the type of discussion that makes me happy that I belong to this site.  Really interesting for those of you who haven't read it. 

I have some comments about the response from the Trophy Taker guy but I don't want to rehash the old thread here.

[wormfood]

Thanks guys looks like I am gonna go pickup some g 5's today. Hope they work. I have 3 more dozen of the ics 340's so I guess I can try some at different lengths too. If that doesnt work then I think I will go back to the stiff old 7595's.

[MtnMuley]

Good choice. You can't go wrong with G5's.

[EastWaViking]

I shoot Beman ICS 340's and have for over 10 years now.  I use Muzzy and Muzzy MX3 heads and only shoot the practice broadheads.  Is your bow paper tuned correctly?  If your bow is tuned right, the broadheads will fly just like the field tip.

hope this helps

[JBar]

Be careful with those Shuttle T-Locks, they are not legal in Washington according to the regs and enforcement.

You can contact Mik Mikitic at 360-902-2936, hit zero and ask for Mik

Holy crap KB! Are we going there again? I thought we had enough proof and testimonials to show this was not true!  Sorry about the thread Jack!

[Turkeyman]

Calm down Titan it will be OK. 

[Titan-1]

Be careful with those Shuttle T-Locks, they are not legal in Washington according to the regs and enforcement.

You can contact Mik Mikitic at 360-902-2936, hit zero and ask for Mik

I emailed Jerrod Lile from Trophy Taker Mr. Mikitic's number so he can straighten up the miss comunication for Mr. K/B. I will post the results of there conversation when I hear back from him. If it turns out for some reason they are not legal then I guess we will go from there but I doubt it.

[WonkyWapiti]

I just found out my Triton Wac'ems are not legal!     I was testing the Shuttle T Locks and the NAP Hell Razors.  I am going with the Hell Razors, they are very similar to the Montec G5's.

[halflife65]

Does that go for the G5 Strikers as well?

[JBar]

halflife65 I'm pretty darn sure the Strikers are okay. I think they angle more than the ones in question. My buddy shoots strikers so I'll check them tomorrow just in case.

[halflife65]

Thanks JBar!

[Titan-1]

 

   State of Washington
   DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND WILDLIFE

   Mailing Address: 600 Capitol Way N • Olympia, WA  98501-1091 • (360) 902-2200, TDD (360) 902-2207
   Main Office Location: Natural Resources Building  • 1111 Washington Street SE • Olympia, WA





August 25, 2009

Jerrod Lile
Trophy Taker, Inc
Montana

Dear Jerrod:

Thank you for inquiring about the legality of your Shuttle T-Lock and Terminal T-Lock broadheads for hunting big game in Washington State.   

The broadhead rules adopted by our state’s fish and wildlife commission require a cutting diameter no less than seven-eighths inch wide, a blade completely closed at the back end of the blade by a smooth, unbroken surface starting at the maximum blade width forming a smooth line toward the feather end of the shaft, and such line not angling towards the point.  Based on the pictures you provided it appears that your broadheads meet all of our described criteria. 

Please feel free to share a copy of this letter with your vendors and anybody else who may have questions about the legality of these broadheads for hunting big game in Washington State. 

Sincerely,



Mik Mikitik
Hunter Education Division

cc:   Lt. Crown
   Sgt. Anderson
   

[JBar]

Halflife65 your Strikers are good to go! They have about the same angle as the Shuttle T's and slicktricks! Go get em!!!

[halflife65]

Thanks JBar - I was looking at that last night, too, after I read that letter from the game warden about the Shuttle Ts that was posted (thanks for doing that, by the way.)  I came to the same conclusion that those broadheads should be ok.

It's not that I'm married to one particular broadhead and I think that there are a lot of good ones out there.  I'm just invested in the ones that I have, I have them flying nicely and it's a week before deer season starts.  All reasons that I don't want to change at this time.