Bad shots on animals

[littlebuf]

i cant believe theirs even a discussion on if this was a bad shot to take? shooting a elk up the ass with a arrow is a bad shot! sorry it just is

[NWBREW]

I thought my comment might be controversial and that some folks might ridicule my reply. I could have easily not said anything, but that really wouldn't have answered the question. The answer wasn't meant to hurt anyone or degrade anyone. So I am a bit surprised by some of the responses. Oh well, no problem, I have thick skin and I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion.

  

I don't think you are being ridiculed. I think it's different opinions. Many of us do not have the amount of exprience as you have guiding and seeing what kinds of shots prove to be kill shots. Many years ago when my father could still hunt he shot a doe from behind, right up the ole bunghole. Doe went down like a rock but what a mess. Half the guts were hanging out of it's belly, deer still alive....follow up shot killed it. He was using his 300 win mag, I know it was too big but you try telling that to a 76 year old man. It didn't bother him, he grew up around the time of the deppression so a kill was meat in the freezer. Me being there I didn't care for the outcome of that shot. But I do agree it is a kill shot. It's just not for me.  Now with a bow shooting elk; I just don't see how someone can take that shot. Again it's not for me.Please don't take any opinions on this site the wrong way. They are only opinions. Just like the bunghole....everyone has one..just some stink a little more than others. I am always interested in your comments...good or bad.

[bobcat]

i cant believe theirs even a discussion on if this was a bad shot to take? shooting a elk up the ass with a arrow is a bad shot! sorry it just is

I still don't know if the shot was with an arrow. I asked the question but haven't seen it answered yet. Did somebody read something that I didn't? 

[elkaholic123]

I know a guy that about 20 years ago had about a 100lb alpine bow and he shot a
2 point buck right up the poop chute and the arrow went straight through and almost came out the brisket and the deer only went 40yrds!I am not saying I would ever do it but that time it worked perfect!

[Crunchy]

Ya I was elk hunting a couple of days ago, and overheard a guy on the Rino saying he say he arrowed a heavy dark horned bull. He went on to say he hit it back.  Without going into a lot of details, he only looked for the elk for about 1 1/2 hrs and gave up??? He did have a blood trail initially, and decent direction of travel.

[bearpaw]

I do appreciate the fact that you guys want to do the right thing and that you are worried about the animals having a quick and decent death. That is the way we all should think. I am not trying to create a heated argument, I am just exploring the question at hand.  

Suppose a person messes up a head shot and blows away the jaw or nose, suppose a person messes up a heart shot and shoots a front leg off, or messes up a neck shot and blows a hole in the wind pipe. Do you really think the animal will have less pain or suffering than being hit in the hind quarters or in the a$$?  

Maybe humans are confusing what they percieve to be the reality with more the morality of the shot from a humans way of thinking, and that perhaps the morality is not really the actual reality of the situation. Perhaps the hind quarter shot is no more painful or cruel than the other shots. Perhaps an ass shot is even less cruel, it's really hard to say for sure one way or another.

I do respect everyone for wanting to do what they think is right, that says a lot in itself. I will admit I was raised with hunting more about survival, if I thought the shot was a killing shot, I took it. I can remember my dad being concerned if I let meat get away because that affected our food supply. Don't get me wrong, my dad wanted me to put one right behind the shoulder whenever I could, but he was glad for the less desireable shots that put meat in the freezer too.

[SHANE(WA)]

great post Bearpaw 

[jstone]

Yes, It was with an arrow

[CoryTDF]

$h!tt happens! Any person who has ever held a weapon that fires a projectile has felt that disappointment as soon as the shot was sent. It could even be at a target. The point is Human error happens perion dot and there is nothing any of us can do about it. Just because you can shoot a dime size group with 3,000 arrows at a block target does not mean you will mis-judge a target by a yard or two and clean miss. I hate when people bash others for mistakes. There are those out there who deserve it. I have seen people take some stupid shots and i don't agree with that. Just make sure that if you aregoing to give a person a rash of SH177 you think back to wether or not you have made a bad shot. 

[Matt]

I didn't read through this whole thread but did they ever find the bull?  Some buddies of mine found a 7x7 that had been dead for awhile on Thursday.  They were in the Bumping unit up around Indian meadows.

[jstone]

They said he shot it on Sunday. Dont know west or east side?? I wiii find out next week.

[adam.WI]

Bearpaw I like you, your'e a realist. I never have taken this shot but nor would I ever say that I would not take this shot because the right time and place may present its self. Is shooting an animal in the Texas heart shot as it is slowly walking away with out any regard to you less ethical than taking a shot at a buck or bull broadside running all out. I bet the Texas heart shot has a better success rate. Something else to think about is all the people that are on a high horse about this and the chance of being off slightly is high, ask yourself if you have ever missed an animal. That means you missed by feet not inches- that's bad. Maybe means you shouldn't even hunt because you don't know where that arrow or bullet will end up. Or maybe it means you need to realize that things happen, you can't control everything and accidents happen.
I have seen this shot done many times with guns and those deer have all dropped in there tracks. DEAD game over

[mossback91]

All i can say about the shooter is maybe he shot and the elk moved when he shot aand it accidently hit it in the ass

animal reflexes might have got the best of him on this one

*censored* happens and it sucks.........

if someone intentionally takes the texas heart shot I dont think anybuddy on here needs to kill a deer that bad

[halflife65]

I think that's the whole point - it's possible to miss while you're hunting.  Therefore, you should give yourself the best possible chance of making a good hit rather than making the "target" smaller.  Especially when the consequences could be terrible if you screw it up.

Sure, people have missed broadside shots.  Should that person have waited for the deer/elk to walk straight away and even narrowed the target more?

[NWBREW]

Something else to think about is all the people that are on a high horse about this and the chance of being off slightly is high, ask yourself if you have ever missed an animal. That means you missed by feet not inches- that's bad. Maybe means you shouldn't even hunt because you don't know where that arrow or bullet will end up. Or maybe it means you need to realize that things happen, you can't control everything and accidents happen.
 

 I don't think it has anything to do with people being "on a high horse". You are right you cannot contol everything and accidents do happen but we can control the shots we take. I have seen this shot taken on a deer with a rifle and it did produce a kill, it wasn't pretty but it was a kill. Like I have said, for me I would not take this shot...rifle or bow, nor would I take a shot at a running deer or elk. I myself would prefer to wait for a better shot. That I can control. That is just my honest opinion and it is only an opinion