t/c new muzzle loader are u kidding me?

[carpsniperg2]

i talk to t/c today about a new ram rod for my black diamond xr the lady told me that they are putting out a new muzzle loader i thought cool until she said that its going to be called like the northwest explorer the crappy part is it will only use #11 caps which i am a huge musket cap fan but the worst thing is t/c firearms has put a 1:48 twist in the barrel all the new muzzleloaders are usually 1:28 the 1:48 won't stabilize a sabot worth hell she said it is for the conical shooters i told her most of the people still shooting them are the old hawken guys and such i think they will have a hard time selling it what do you guys think?

[bobcat]

There are some really good conical bullets especially now that we are able to use jacketed bullets. I think the 1:48 twist will be fine. You could probably find some saboted bullets that would shoot ok as well.

[carpsniperg2]

i 100% agree with you but i still think it will have a hard time finding a market and i have shot conicals out of my 1:28 and they shoot just fine but i don't how many people will go out and buy a new muzzleloader to only shoot conicals

[MHWASH]

Keep in mind WA just changed our regs to allow sabots. What about ID, OR and MT. They have probably been working on this since before WA changed the regs.

[rackattack]

Sabots have been legal for years.

[carpsniperg2]

mhwash sabots have been allowed for years the only thing is now we can use alloy/metal bullets also plastic base bullets like power belts lead bullet have also been legal for just as long

[bobcat]

Right. And speaking of Powerbelts, I think they should shoot good in a 1:48 twist. I didn't like them when only the lead ones were legal but now that we can use the jacketed ones I think they might be worth a try.

[carpsniperg2]

my friend is trying them this year and i am trying the tmz barnes 290grain they shoot great.

[Whitelightning]

I really like a heavy conical. A 460-510gr conical will drop anything it hits.

[carpsniperg2]

i know that conical are good i am not saying that i just don't know how much of a market this new gun will have is all i am wondering

[PA BEN]

like the northwest explorer the crappy part is it will only use #11 caps which i am a huge musket cap

Can't you put a musket cap nipple on it?

[wastickslinger]

like the northwest explorer the crappy part is it will only use #11 caps which i am a huge musket cap

Can't you put a musket cap nipple on it?

Thats what I was thinking. Nipple should be interchangeable. Almost all of them are now.

[carpsniperg2]

thats what i thought i almost bought a break open traditions xt west that uses #11 caps but it comes with a red peice of paper that says do not replace with a musket cap because it will ruin  the action on the gun and mess up the intenal parts so no you can't always just change them out and yes i did ask the same question to the t/c lady and she said they are not interchangeable on there new rifle #11 only but you guys are right on some rifles like my cva elkhorn and black diamond xr all it was is replace a nipple in the diamond and a nipple and breech plug in the cva

[edmondshunter]

#11's work just fine. And T/C putting out a Wa. state legal muzzle loader again is music to my ears.  Im stoked to see and shoot this new bad boy

[colockumelk]

I think I'll just stick to my T/C Black Diamond XTR.  Works great.  It's more accurate than I am.