8 different special apps pools!

[Ridgerunner]

I didn't have anything to do with the new system, I just happened to speak to Dave in December about it before the press release came out so I was able to get my questions answered.

I personally don't like the idea.  If I set up the system I would do it much differently, although I do like the idea of the Quality hunts(except I would charge a premium to apply for them to lower the number of apps.).

[WDFW-SUX]

Did dave give any reasoning for changing the systwm to something with worse odds?

[WDFW-SUX]

Or is this strictly a money grab?

[Ridgerunner]

http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/seasonsetting/surveysummary_jul1708.pdf

Go to ?29 your answer is there. 

I do think the fact that it will raise more money gives them the motivation to do it, but from that survey the public definately was in favor of it.

[boneaddict]

I am hoping that they read this and see how un in favor most of us are for it. 

[Skyvalhunter]

Why go in there and do a bunch of changes when it's not going to effect the indians as far as closing roads, point restrictions, etc.

[Curly]

http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/seasonsetting/surveysummary_jul1708.pdf

Go to ?29 your answer is there. 

I do think the fact that it will raise more money gives them the motivation to do it, but from that survey the public definately was in favor of it.

After looking at the survey results, they are just going by what their survey showed most are in favor of.  Not too surprising that we are getting bent over based on how people vote in this state ........and it isn't necessarily by WDFW....they have the survey results to fall back on.

I do like the results of this question "H. Allowing hunters to apply for elk permits statewide, regardless if their
elk tag is for eastern or western Washington."

So if they let us apply for Eastern WA elk permits I assume that if we get drawn for Eastern we would just use our W WA elk tag?  That works for me.  But it will really screw the odds for some of the good bull tags in E Wa.

[Wacenturion]

More idiot decisions by WDFW.  They could care less about your odds, my odds , or anybody else's odds for that matter.  Just another revenue generator.  God forbid I really didn't think they could make the permit process worse, but you know, they have done so.  WDFW's wildlife management program needs a complete overhaul.  These elite few have been screwing things up for sportsman for way too long......fact!!

[bobcat]

The more I think about it the more I think this new system really won't decrease odds on the majority of the permits. I mean you've still got basically the same number of people applying and the same number of permits. And MOST people are going to apply for one or the other, not both. By that I mean they will either apply for the buck/bull permits, or the antlerless. The members of this board are not your average hunter. I'd guess 90% of hunters don't go to sites like this, and they probably don't think about hunting 24/7 365 days a year like we do. Honestly odds on a lot of the buck/bull permits COULD go up. If you consider that a lot of people that mostly apply for deer and elk permits because they want to draw an antlerless tag, will just for the heck of it put down 2 or 3 buck/bull hunts on their application and for their last choice put down the antlerless hunt they really want and really expect to draw. Now, these people might just buy only the antlerless application and that's all they will put in for. So there you go. All of a sudden we've got less applicants applying for the popular buck and bull permits. Who knows. It's impossible to know how things will work out. I still think if they'd go to draw only at least for mule deer and eastside elk we'd be a lot better off.

[SkookumHntr]

http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/seasonsetting/surveysummary_jul1708.pdf

Go to ?29 your answer is there. 

I do think the fact that it will raise more money gives them the motivation to do it, but from that survey the public definately was in favor of it.

After looking at the survey results, they are just going by what their survey showed most are in favor of.  Not too surprising that we are getting bent over based on how people vote in this state ........and it isn't necessarily by WDFW....they have the survey results to fall back on.

I do like the results of this question "H. Allowing hunters to apply for elk permits statewide, regardless if their
elk tag is for eastern or western Washington."

So if they let us apply for Eastern WA elk permits I assume that if we get drawn for Eastern we would just use our W WA elk tag?  That works for me.  But it will really screw the odds for some of the good bull tags in E Wa.

Allowing western tags to apply for eastern hunts again decreases draw odds! That would be another killer!  

[SkookumHntr]

The more I think about it the more I think this new system really won't decrease odds on the majority of the permits. I mean you've still got basically the same number of people applying and the same number of permits. And MOST people are going to apply for one or the other, not both. By that I mean they will either apply for the buck/bull permits, or the antlerless. The members of this board are not your average hunter. I'd guess 90% of hunters don't go to sites like this, and they probably don't think about hunting 24/7 365 days a year like we do. Honestly odds on a lot of the buck/bull permits COULD go up. If you consider that a lot of people that mostly apply for deer and elk permits because they want to draw an antlerless tag, will just for the heck of it put down 2 or 3 buck/bull hunts on their application and for their last choice put down the antlerless hunt they really want and really expect to draw. Now, these people might just buy only the antlerless application and that's all they will put in for. So there you go. All of a sudden we've got less applicants applying for the popular buck and bull permits. Who knows. It's impossible to know how things will work out. I still think if they'd go to draw only at least for mule deer and eastside elk we'd be a lot better off.

[bobcat]

Skookumhntr,

What's the matter... little pent up frustration?  

[Curly]

Allowing western tags to apply for eastern hunts again decreases draw odds! That would be another killer!  

Yeah.  It is a stupid idea.........(if the intent of the changes is to "increase draw odss for the popular permits").  

There are really no Bull permits in W WA that I would put in for if I can put in for E WA bull permits with my W WA elk tag.  A lot of W WA elk hunters probably don't apply for any permits, but if they have a chance to put in for E WA, then they likely will.  

[SkookumHntr]

I just see this system there proposing completly ruining What I have been waiting 15plus years to get! There is no good at all any way you look at it with this system! You wont draw a cow tag ever again most likely and now when I should be getting my draw odds alot better, there going to go right down the toilet.

[WDFW-SUX]

this thred is getting down right comical...

Ridgerunner those poll results explain alot of there justification for the changes.  Id like to have seen the question framed differently....for example would you support these changes if it decreases you odds of drawing a tag? I bet the results would be dramatically different.

Unfortunately its becoming clear to me that the majority of folks dont have a clear understanding of odds, probability or how our states draw works and that why this policy is so flawed.

Im sure the brain trust at wildlife understand what they are doing but they don't really care if the average "retarded Hillbilly" draws a tag every 5 or every 10 years.  All they care about is the almighty dollar.