8 different special apps pools!

[boneaddict]

I think you are right.  Look here, I took Bobcat as an educated man with commonsense.  I am trying to figure out if he is being sarcastic, trying to be funny, trying to see if he can get Skookum to stroke, or he really is numb.

From my perspective.  My family alone, My Dad, my wife, and myself will now be in all 4 cow tag choices.  I haven't entered a cow hunt my entire life as my 4 choices meant more to me than that.  A co-worker, also a member on here, always puts in for cow, because he'd rather hunt, and likes the meat.  He will now be in all 4 bull hunts, and his 4 cow hunts.  That is my little world.  If we go east/west as I am guessing might be happening, then I will very likely try some West side hunting as I know a few spots and I can kill a bull without being drawn and even though I am in the general here, I rarely hunt Spike.  If you are Westside, and don't put your name in the blues pot, I'd be SERIOUSLY shocked.   Those of you guys that live in the Blues and want that tag. ....you better start working some mojo.   That is just MY little world.  Now according to Bobcat, if we changed the choices down to 2 hats instead of 4, the odds won't improve any.  I think I'd bang my head on the wall too if I was really trying to convince him otherwise.   

[Curly]

then I will very likely try some West side hunting as I know a few spots and I can kill a bull without being drawn and even though I am in the general here, I rarely hunt Spike. 

I never even thought of that scenario.  I didn't figure the eastside guys would hunt western washington for general season bulls and then apply for E WA for the good bull tags.  So now, we could see an increase in pressure in W Wa general season too........

[bobcat]

But Bone, odds will improve for guys like huntnphool. He says he has 10 points or so, and will now apply for a cow permit. He has excellent odds of drawing that cow permit. See???  Improved odds of drawing an elk permit. Just like the WDFW has told us. It's true.

[boneaddict]

   True that.


Yeah Curly, I also tend to be fairly successful at finding and killing things.  Who wants to hunt spikes only when you can have a shot at branch antlered.  Imagine all the new calling pressure etc.  I always bought my eastside tag and put in tfor the draw but didn't hunt the Spike much.  Now I won't need too.

[WDFW-SUX]

We might be putting the cart before the horse on the east west thing why would they be selling multi season apps if they were just going to let us hunt where ever? Unless its bait and switch

[Curly]

Who wants to hunt spikes only when you can have a shot at branch antlered.

Exactly..........

I'll have to hope they don't change that and you can stay over there waiting to draw a branch bull tag.....

[Curly]

We might be putting the cart before the horse on the east west thing why would they be selling multi season apps if they were just going to let us hunt where ever? Unless its bait and switch

Well, the multi season tag allows you to hunt three weapon seasons so they should still sell a bunch of those.

[bobcat]

Yeah plus with the multi-season you can hunt general seasons on both sides of the mountains if you dont draw a special hunt.

[WDFW-SUX]

Yeah I agree they will just drop the appeal of applying east vs west (sigh)

[huntnphool]

LOL Bobcat, I suppose if you twist it that way its true. However lets say there is a cow only tag designated "A". Lets say on average there have been 100 guys putting in for this tag for 5-6 years. Lots of guys, like myself, never bothered applying for tag "A" because we didnt want to lose our branch bull points. Now we are given our points, in my case 10, to throw around in these cow only hunts and not have to worry about losing those bull points. If they are giving out 10 free points for me, why wouldn't I put them in for tag "A", I will jump toward the top of the list, while the guys that have been trying for that tag for 5-6 years will now have their odds decrease because loads of guys will now be trying for it as well. Not only guys with more points than them, but just the increase in the number of applicants for tag "A" will cause the odds to drop.

[sako223]

A lot of the speculation is that ten points will automatically trump one point. Well that is something I have complained about the weighted point system. Guys getting drawn with 0 or 1 point year after year.
I understand the theory of extra points in each category changing minds about where to apply.

[huntnphool]

By the way, even with 10 points I am vehemently against this.

[bobcat]

A lot of the speculation is that ten points will automatically trump one point. Well that is something I have complained about the weighted point system. Guys getting drawn with 0 or 1 point year after year.

Because 10 points gives a person 100 chances in the draw, while 1 point is only 1 chance. So yeah, 10 points is a definite advantage over 1 point. Sure a permit can still be drawn by somebody with only 1 point and that's the good thing about this state's system. In other states, that have a preference point system, only the max point holders have a chance of drawing.

[billythekidrock]

The regs state that you can only harvest one moose per lifetime.  This is waived if you killed a cow on a cow only hunt.  If you killed a bull first you cannot ever kill a cow.  If you kill a cow firat you can still kill a bull.  Very clear and fair. isnt it?

So how does it work with the MH moose permits? I was told that a guy could possibly kill a moose every year if he was chosen for the damage hunt.

[huntnphool]

That's true BTKR but has been discussed ad nauseam in the past.