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Re: 8 different special apps pools!
« Reply #405 on: January 20, 2010, 07:36:31 PM »
Why do i hate the WDFW so much... Maybe because they hate me... They made me waste to much time reading this thread...
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Re: 8 different special apps pools!
« Reply #406 on: January 20, 2010, 08:25:59 PM »
Holy crap this thing is up to 27 pages!  :bash: If they are after revenue and want to make the system better to draw why don't they put a  minimum 2 point system in place, charge successful applicants an extra $10 bucks to receive their special permit ( you know the 50 cent card they send you in the mail ) and any permits that are not purchased by a specified date go on sale as a leftover tag for $50 or $100 on a first come first served basis to unsuccessful applicants. This would give them an extra 10 bucks per special permit, plus extra for any leftover tags and the 2 points minimum would keep guys buying points while taking out 1/3 of the applicants each year. If I'm thinking this through right the first year would be kind of screwed as all applicants would be in the pool but after the 1st year they applicants should decrease by about a third the second year by 2/3 increasing the chances for those who have not drawn yet by a bunch that third year. Hopefully I described that without being to confusing. I'm sure this is flawed in some way also but if a lame arse like myself can figure something out the state should be able to do better than me. Well maybe not! :chuckle:

Overall I like your idea, but a 2 point minimum will do almost nothing as far as decreasing applicants.  You are assuming that 1/3 of the applicants get drawn every year and therefore after 2 years, 2/3 of the applicants would be ineligible for a tag.  If they want to do a point minimum, it should be a maybe a 5 point minimum for deer and elk and a 8 point minimum for OIL tags.  That would increase odds a little bit. 

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Re: 8 different special apps pools!
« Reply #407 on: January 21, 2010, 05:33:23 AM »
You're right shane, maybe a 5 point min. would be better. I was just throwing out 2 as a base line. I would think that if you put too much of a waiting period there would be tag quotas the eventually would go unfilled but they could sell those also as leftovers.
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Re: 8 different special apps pools!
« Reply #408 on: January 21, 2010, 02:44:32 PM »
just got this reply from Dave Ware to an email i sent regarding this topic with a link to this thread...i haven't even read it yet.
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Thank you for your email to Director Anderson and the link to the blog about the proposal for special hunting permit categories.  These discussion forums are a good way to gage what folks are thinking and the participants in this one are debating many of the same things we considered while developing our recommendations. 

 

The objectives of the proposal are to try to improve the odds of drawing; allow more choices for hunters in permit applications; and generate funding to expand our hunter access program.  It is difficult to make big improvements in the odds of drawing, but we think this proposal will help because there should be less overall competition with separate drawing categories.  If this doesn’t result in a significant change in some categories, we can look at other ideas in the future.  This recommendation will be significant for the other two objectives and after considering the pros and cons of the changes, we think that most hunters will support the recommended change. 

 

On a national basis, the most significant thing that fish and wildlife agencies can do to recruit and retain hunters is improve access opportunities.  In Washington, we have been working with hunters and conservation organizations to expand our access program for several years, this proposal will help us achieve that goal.

 

Dividing up the  hunt choices among categories is challenging and will likely be highly debated by the public.  The greatest challenge was the quality category and we generally considered:  low density of other hunters, relatively high harvest success rates, season timing close to the rut or after migration, and how many hunters put in for the hunt in the past.  The proposals will be available for comment early next month and we strongly encourage folks to submit their thoughts at that time.

 

Thanks again for sharing the link.

 

Sincerely,

 

Dave Ware, Game Division Manager

 

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Re: 8 different special apps pools!
« Reply #409 on: January 21, 2010, 03:03:25 PM »
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The objectives of the proposal are to try to improve the odds of drawing; allow more choices for hunters in permit applications; and generate funding to expand our hunter access program.  It is difficult to make big improvements in the odds of drawing, but we think this proposal will help because there should be less overall competition with separate drawing categories.
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Re: 8 different special apps pools!
« Reply #410 on: January 21, 2010, 03:44:41 PM »
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,43349.msg521041.html#msg521041


new thread started with info regarding a reply from the wdfw...
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Re: 8 different special apps pools!
« Reply #411 on: February 04, 2010, 08:21:22 PM »
I just got off the phone with Susan yeager on when the public comment will be. February 5-6 , public input starts 8:30 am and again at 4:30pm. March 12or 13 there will be public comment aswell. Department of Natural Resource Building in Olympia, 1st floor, room 172. She said the proposal is not a done deal and they will be listining to the public comment! She is mailing me the agenda and Ill post the exact times and dates again when Get it!

Did you get that agenda yet?  If not, it's available online. All the topics listed on the agenda have to do with fishing. Nothing about the special permits. But they will take public comments at 8:30 a.m. as you were told. Each person only gets 3 minutes to speak. Here is a link to the agenda for February 5 & 6th:

http://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/meetings/2010/02/agenda_feb0610.html


The address where the meeting will be held:

FISH AND WILDLIFE COMMISSION MEETING
February 4-5-6, 2010
Natural Resources Building
First Floor, Room 172
1111 Washington St. SE
Olympia, Washington 98501

And here is the procedure for giving public testimony:

Procedure for Public Testimony
(Updated 10/17/07)

The Washington Fish and Wildlife Commission is committed to allowing adequate time to consider public input prior to decisions, as well as to improve the ability of the Commission to move through its lengthy agendas.

This procedure will provide for public testimony on rule amendments at the same meeting that staff briefs the Commission. The public will have the opportunity to hear the staff presentation prior to making comments. The Commission will also be able to thoroughly consider the public comments in light of the staff report and prior to voting on the proposal. In most cases, final Commission decisions will be scheduled for the next meeting.

The Commission remains committed to providing the public with the opportunity to speak to the various issues of interest and concern. "Open Public Input" will remain a regular agenda item to discuss issues not otherwise on the agenda.

Providing Public Input at Fish and Wildlife Commission Meetings

SIGN-UP SHEET
Please complete a "Public Testimony" form if you want to provide testimony (available at the meeting registration table). Submit your completed form to the Commission representative at the registration table PRIOR to the start of discussion of that agenda item.

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Public testimony is accepted only during those agenda items designated for "Public Input," and during "Open Public Input" portions of the agenda (Open Public Input is usually scheduled twice per meeting day; once in the morning and once in the afternoon, for items not on the agenda). Be aware that items may be taken out of order, and that the times listed are estimates only.

TESTIMONY
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Review pertinent information provided at the registration table.
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Re: 8 different special apps pools!
« Reply #412 on: February 04, 2010, 08:37:36 PM »
ya I got it and seen that, nothing to do with the special hunt apps, Im going to call her again and see if this is when people need to try to attend or if the march meetings are more to do with this topic, they sure dont give much info on whats going on!
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Re: 8 different special apps pools!
« Reply #413 on: February 04, 2010, 08:46:57 PM »
I don't think there's any room for debate on the special permits. Sure you're welcome to go in front of the commissioners and tell them what you think, for 3 minutes, but that's it. What you say wont change anything. They've got too much time and money invested in this thing now to try to modify it. Just my opinion but I really believe attending tomorrow's meeting will be a comlete waste of your time. Also, I feel a meeting in March is even less likely to have any affect on the outcome of the special permit proposals. Let another month go by and they need to have it set in stone by then, as they will be working on getting the 2010 Regulations published.

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Re: 8 different special apps pools!
« Reply #414 on: February 04, 2010, 08:52:05 PM »
Some more info I found on the WDFW website...
(turns out the contact person for this proposal is Dave Brittel, but it says you need to contact him by January 25)


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Re: 8 different special apps pools!
« Reply #415 on: February 04, 2010, 09:04:46 PM »
Im going to attend weather it helps or not, I wanta see if they answer my questions on how this helps anything, Im going to explain how this proposal is totally bogus, see what they say 
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Re: 8 different special apps pools!
« Reply #416 on: February 04, 2010, 09:08:15 PM »
Which day are you going, tomorrow, or Saturday?

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Re: 8 different special apps pools!
« Reply #417 on: February 04, 2010, 09:09:30 PM »
saturday
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Re: 8 different special apps pools!
« Reply #418 on: February 04, 2010, 09:21:00 PM »
I was thinking about going tomorrow. I'll have to see if my wife will let me leave the house. 

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Re: 8 different special apps pools!
« Reply #419 on: February 05, 2010, 05:02:30 AM »
Remeber to pay attention to the shorter bear season. Last year they did not come up with season dates for the next two years and they proposed to not allow hunting in August.




 


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