Aluminum vs. Carbon

[xXx Archery]

well I shoot 1 pin out to 40...and thats all I have is one pin and my 410 grain arrow at 60lbs blew threw my 5pt elk like butter. 3 bulls we shot this year with a 410 grain arrow never stayed in the bulls all pass threws on a 4pt, 5pt and a 6pt
why do I need a range finder? I know what is under forty..the last 3 bull have all been under 25 yards. with 1 pin I never aim with the wrong pin...50.00 for X7's im sure you did not get them new as we as dealers have Min pricing as what we can sell for and that is less than I as a Dealer pay. 

[poohdog]

Just a question xXx what bow do you shoot and are you a few inches high under 40 yards.  Thanks

[xXx Archery]

Just a question xXx what bow do you shoot and are you a few inches high under 40 yards.  Thanks

Yes I shoot a PSE Omen 28" draw at 60lbs shooting 301fps with a 410 grain arrow ...I set my sight for 32 yards and Im 2" high at 20 and about 5-6 low at 40
Most your shots and Elk on the WET side are 40 and under...it is so nice to just aim with one pin..Black Gold can out with a NEW sight this year a 0ne pin slider and a 3 pin slider...for 149 and 159...great price ...that will be my new sight this year.

[konrad]

Way to go XXX!
It sounds like you really have it nailed.
I can only wish I were so proficient. I'm still on the starting end of that bell curve as my rig only chugs my 490 grain arrow at 240 fps.
Maybe I should consider PSE next time?

[carpsniperg2]

i am right with XXX i shoot my pse x force 83lbs with my normal goldtips with montec at 425 at about 318fps i shoot one pin to 40 yards. about 2" high at 20 and 3.5" low at 40 is great i shoot 5 pin matrix but other than 3d shoots i have yet to use my 2nd pin. when i shoot me 3d setup i run around 335fps. great bow i am a huge pse fan.

[xXx Archery]

Way to go XXX!
It sounds like you really have it nailed.
I can only wish I were so proficient. I'm still on the starting end of that bell curve as my rig only chugs my 490 grain arrow at 240 fps.
Maybe I should consider PSE next time?

PSE...no ...we all know that there are a bunch of great bows ...as for me being so proficient ..YES.. I have a combo that works for ME....and it sound like YOU have things working to. ...you and I both know that any bow and any arrow will kill...it's still up to US the hunter...Just remember Im NOT saying you are wrong...its OK if YOU dont like what I shoot..

[Intruder]

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I agree with you in the argument regarding KE, Konrad.  It is a measurement that can be very misleading and gets thrown around way too much (firearms and bows).  People have tried to equate it to killing power, knock down power, etc, etc.  For the most point it's hogwash.  Putting holes in vital organs is the way you kill things. 

Where I tend to disagree or maybe should I say agree with XXX is in the superiority of carbon when it comes to being able to shoot flatter... essentially achieve a higher margin of error if you will.  To some degree, it's like shooting a bullet w/ a better BC.

Without turning this into a long range archery debate it suffices to say that Konrad's point about shooting a deer are perfectly accurate.  It doesn't really matter.... just like it doesn't matter if you shoot a deer at 100 yards w/ a 243 or a 338.  You put the bullet where it belongs... result: dead deer. 

However, things change when you start talking stretching those distances out to 40 yards.  With carbon a guy is able to shoot out to a farther distance with a higher margin of error because that arrow is shooting flatter, arriving there quicker, being influenced less by wind and (theoretically, although I've never seen any data to support this) doing it quieter than you could w/ aluminum.

[longstevo]

*resuscitating an old thread*

So the general feedback that I'm reading between carbon vs aluminum arrows boils down to this:

Carbon:
More expensive
Better performance
Somewhat fragile once the arrows loses its shape

Aluminum:
Cheaper
Lesser performance
More durable, able to bend back to shape once imperfections take place

Does that sound about right?
I'm a brand new archery shooter, although I'm not hunting archery this year.  I know next to nothing about arrows.

[coachcw]

i am right with XXX i shoot my pse x force 83lbs with my normal goldtips with montec at 425 at about 318fps i shoot one pin to 40 yards. about 2" high at 20 and 3.5" low at 40 is great i shoot 5 pin matrix but other than 3d shoots i have yet to use my 2nd pin. when i shoot me 3d setup i run around 335fps. great bow i am a huge pse fan.

your a little light carp.     I have shoot from 100th lbs and 750 grain aluminum to 62 lbs and 420 carbons. With today's bow technology   a 420 grain carbon at 310  fps out of a 70 lbs bow is wicked deadly.

[Fullabull]

How do you bend aluminum arrow back into shape? Can't imagine you can get any arrow to spin true after any damage! I shot aluminum when younger and shooting recurve bow. But now with the new technologies, I shoot the fmj and love it's performance! Get better penetration than anyone I see at the range.

[Jellymon]

I shoot carbons and flex them after pulling from targets. I dont want this to be me.

[Fullabull]

Ouch !!!!!

[longstevo]

Eh...

So aluminum it is then.

[Band]

Am I the only one who is surprised where this topic is heading?  I honestly thought aluminum arrows had gone the way of the dodo bird and the vcr. 

I can say that from my aluminum experience of yesteryear they were easily bent and not fixable for straightness.  If you ever missed the target you could kiss your arrow good bye.  My experience with carbon has been far better in terms of durability.

[longstevo]

Huh.  No I'm thoroughly confused.  I've read on other forums where different guys swear by one or the other. 

I guess its kind of like the argument of .45 ACP vs. 40 cal pistols...