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Re: Senate Bill 6813 to Abolish the WDFW
« Reply #45 on: February 09, 2010, 11:09:36 AM »
You continue to state in one fashion or another that the WDFW is profitable. Your interpretations and math are not even palatable. In fact far from reality.

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I feel if you understood how their budget is formed and what total revenue's they bring in, given the personnel cutbacks they have had, that you would see they are actually very profitable for a public Agency, yet legislators keep them unprofitable.

Please show us where they are "Very Profitable" I'm sure a lot of people would love to see it including the state legislators who could spend that 30% of the WDFW budget somewhere else. I would like to know when the last time the WDFW was "Truly Profitable" if ever. From 2007-9 they received $110 million from the state general fund.

I am all for cutting fat, but as it stands that won't happen easily.

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Re: Senate Bill 6813 to Abolish the WDFW
« Reply #46 on: February 09, 2010, 11:47:26 AM »
The DNR is a good organization, but in my dealing's with them, they are more on the conservation side in this State, the majority of Western Wa. DNR land's are not open to hunting, that tell's me a lot.

Do you mean to say "the majority of DNR lands ARE OPEN to hunting? Because they are. Not sure where you're getting your information. I've hunted lots of DNR land in western Washington. I don't believe I've ever seen any that wasn't open for hunting. I think there could possibly be some in King County that may not be open for hunting, but that would be the exception to the rule. But hey, go ahead and keep thinking you can't hunt DNR land, that's less competition for me, and please keep spreading the word that DNR lands are off limits.  ;)

 You may be right about that, I was thinking all watersheds were administered by the DNR, but that may not be the case according to the latest map. If you total the acreage of conservation area's, watersheds and DNR lands with no legal public access, it's about a 50/50 split. The legal access issue I guess is also a little different, to me it's "closed", if a legal access is not granted, or in existence, then it's not open to hunting. There are some very large blocks that fall under this category.

 http://www.dnr.wa.gov/Publications/eng_rms_mpl_7_med.pdf

Watersheds are administered by the individual county/city/water district not the DNR. DNR might simply own land that is in a watershed however it does not own the watershed. For example last year DNR bought up a lot of land in the Cedar River watershed, so they can continue to use it as a working forest and use the timber however the watershed itself is administered by the city of Seattle. There is a lot of land that DNR owns and is legally open but is surrounded by private property so access to it is basically impossible. The same goes with BLM (US Bureau of Land Management) land up in NE WA, BLM is currently working with other agencies for a land swap/purchase so that BLM can actually own some land in NE WA that is accessible.

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Re: Senate Bill 6813 to Abolish the WDFW
« Reply #47 on: February 09, 2010, 11:54:27 AM »

Both DNR & BLM offer access for recreation and hunting. Both with more land than the WDFW has.

The statement about BLM is actually incorrect. In Washington State BLM owns only around 445,000 acres compared to over a million by the WDFW. Most of the BLM land in WA is in Lincoln County. BLM land is only in the western US; however WA St has the least amount of BLM lands out of the entire west. There is actually no BLM land in Western Washington with the exception of a couple of the small uninhabited San Juan Islands.

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Re: Senate Bill 6813 to Abolish the WDFW
« Reply #48 on: February 09, 2010, 12:06:17 PM »
The DNR is a good organization, but in my dealing's with them, they are more on the conservation side in this State, the majority of Western Wa. DNR land's are not open to hunting, that tell's me a lot.

Do you mean to say "the majority of DNR lands ARE OPEN to hunting? Because they are. Not sure where you're getting your information. I've hunted lots of DNR land in western Washington. I don't believe I've ever seen any that wasn't open for hunting. I think there could possibly be some in King County that may not be open for hunting, but that would be the exception to the rule. But hey, go ahead and keep thinking you can't hunt DNR land, that's less competition for me, and please keep spreading the word that DNR lands are off limits.  ;)

 You may be right about that, I was thinking all watersheds were administered by the DNR, but that may not be the case according to the latest map. If you total the acreage of conservation area's, watersheds and DNR lands with no legal public access, it's about a 50/50 split. The legal access issue I guess is also a little different, to me it's "closed", if a legal access is not granted, or in existence, then it's not open to hunting. There are some very large blocks that fall under this category.

 http://www.dnr.wa.gov/Publications/eng_rms_mpl_7_med.pdf

Watersheds are administered by the individual county/city/water district not the DNR. DNR might simply own land that is in a watershed however it does not own the watershed. For example last year DNR bought up a lot of land in the Cedar River watershed, so they can continue to use it as a working forest and use the timber however the watershed itself is administered by the city of Seattle. There is a lot of land that DNR owns and is legally open but is surrounded by private property so access to it is basically impossible. The same goes with BLM (US Bureau of Land Management) land up in NE WA, BLM is currently working with other agencies for a land swap/purchase so that BLM can actually own some land in NE WA that is accessible.
Good info. thanks.

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Re: Senate Bill 6813 to Abolish the WDFW
« Reply #49 on: February 09, 2010, 12:18:27 PM »
 I guess my opinion is formed from going to over 10 State Wildlife meeting's on budgeting, working in State work groups on wildlife budgeting and in my own interaction with the DNR. Some of you remember when a DNR official was telling hunters the Tiger Mountain State Forest was closed to hunting, most feel due to their own opinion on hunting. The DNR does some great thing's for habitat, but I'm not sure they would be the best ally of the hunter.

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Re: Senate Bill 6813 to Abolish the WDFW
« Reply #50 on: February 09, 2010, 12:31:52 PM »
According to the legislative report I recieved yesterday this bill is still alive and getting attention. :yike:
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Re: Senate Bill 6813 to Abolish the WDFW
« Reply #51 on: February 10, 2010, 02:55:05 PM »
According to the legislative report I recieved yesterday this bill is still alive and getting attention. :yike:


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Re: Senate Bill 6813 to Abolish the WDFW
« Reply #52 on: February 10, 2010, 03:01:23 PM »
This is splitting hairs imho.....they should go beat up on DSHS if they want to talk about cost cutting via identifying management redundancies and efficencies.
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Re: Senate Bill 6813 to Abolish the WDFW
« Reply #53 on: February 10, 2010, 03:22:18 PM »
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Re: Senate Bill 6813 to Abolish the WDFW
« Reply #54 on: February 12, 2010, 09:53:17 AM »
I apologize for posting this twice, but wanted to be sure everyone following this thread got the info too.

SB 6813 Transferring various natural resources management duties to the department of natural resources is scheduled for public hearing in the Senate Natural Resources committee next Wednesday morning (Feb 17) at 8 AM. 
 
The general reaction to this measure from among the regulated communities when it was first introduced was universally negative.  The fiscal note for the bill shows that there are no immediate financial benefits to the bill and only marginal (maybe) benefits in future years.  The bill does not deal with the types of problems created by the merger years ago of the department of fish and department of game - with some unresolved problems today even after more then 10 years since the merger. 
 
DNR is not a general authorities agency (an enforcement issue) hence the bill would create numerous wildlife enforcement issues across all elements of the regulated communities.  Many of the comments forwarded when the bill focused on the measure being nothing but political "reform smoke and mirrors;" a bill "designed to eliminate citizen participation in wildlife management" and numerous, similar examples. 
 
Members of the Senate Natural Resources Committee need to hear from groups and individuals ASAP with their opposition to the bill.  The members of the Senate Natural Resources Committee are:
 
Senator Ken Jacobsen
237 John A. Cherberg Building
PO Box 40446
Olympia, WA 98504-0446
(360) 786-7690
Fax: (360) 786-1999
Web Email link at http://www.leg.wa.gov/senate/senators/pages/jacobsen.aspx
 
Senator Kevin Ranker
402 Legislative Building
PO Box 40440
Olympia, WA 98504-0440
(360) 786-7678
Web Email link at http://www.leg.wa.gov/senate/senators/pages/ranker.aspx
 
Senator Bob Morton
115D Irv Newhouse Building
PO Box 40407
Olympia, WA 98504-0407
(360) 786-7612
Fax: (360) 786-1999
Web Email link at http://www.leg.wa.gov/senate/senators/pages/morton.aspx
 
Senator Karen Fraser
404 Legislative Building
PO Box 40422
Olympia, WA 98504-0422
(360) 786-7642
Fax: (360) 786-1999
Web Email link at http://www.leg.wa.gov/senate/senators/pages/fraser.aspx
 
Senator Jim Hargrove
411 Legislative Building
PO Box 40424
Olympia, WA 98504-0424
(360) 786-7646
Fax: (360) 786-1323
Web Email link at http://www.leg.wa.gov/senate/senators/pages/hargrove.aspx
 
Senator Brian Hatfield
239 John A. Cherberg Building
PO Box 40419
Olympia, WA 98504-0419
(360) 786-7636
Web Email link at http://www.leg.wa.gov/senate/senators/pages/hatfield.aspx
 
Senator Val Stevens
105 Irv Newhouse Building
PO Box 40439
Olympia, WA 98504-0439
(360) 786-7676
Fax: (360) 786-7819
Web Email link at http://www.leg.wa.gov/senate/senators/pages/stevens.aspx
 
Senator Dan Swecker
103 Irv Newhouse Building
PO Box 40420
Olympia, WA 98504-0420
(360) 786-7638
Fax: (360) 786-1999
Web Email link at http://www.leg.wa.gov/senate/senators/pages/swecker.aspx
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