Lake Chelan Wolves

[MichaelJ]

I can see you're reasoning, but you should do some research on how wolves were actually wiped out in the western states back in the day...  we had a shoot on site policy and guess what, it took all those things that shootmore listed in his post in addition to the shoot on site policy.  And they never really left, there's always been a few.

Not to mention that the breed of wolf that has been introduced, runs a LOT bigger in physical size, and runs in larger packs that our native timber wolves... in fact, the canadian breed that has been introduced will eventually completely wipe out any native timber wolves that we have/had left...

Just look at what noxious weeds do when introduced into an ecosystem...  They change the whole ecosystem functions, wipe out our most productive vegetation species, and there's very little we can do to stop them!  Its the same if not worse with a keystone predator introduced to the states that is NOT NATIVE!

Michael

[wolfbait]

Shootmoore and MichaelJ have given you some factual information on what it took to thin the wolves out years ago. Today these wolves have not been hunted in over 15 years, they have been hauled around in pickup trucks, helicopters, caught and collared and released, they have no fear of people. Where ever there are wolves the game herds are being decimated, the wolves kill faster than the game herds can reproduce and before long the elk are in an animal pit, meaning they cannot recover. What is happening is the USFWS and FWS are managing one species, this species is the biggest wolf known, a predator with no boundaries and no restrictions. When the game herds are killed off in an area, then the wolves will resort to killing livestock and what ever else is handy.

[bearpaw]

esgarbanzo, if you do a little research you will find they had to poison, trap, and do anything they could to get rid of wolves.

If you look a little closer at Idaho today, season has been open for nearly 6 months and in half the units they did not meet the quota. This was a population of wolves that have never been hunted by man. You could open season year around and as wolves get smart to hunting, they will be even tougher to get.

The facts are there to support year around unlimited hunting in Idaho right now.  

[MichaelJ]

Where'd he go???

Michael

[fishnate]

Saw this thread, interesting. Here is another link to read. Just thought I would

http://www.newwest.net/topic/article/are_hunters_stupid_the_unintended_consequences_of_wolf_hunting/C41/L41/

[WAcoyotehunter]

Where'd he go???

Michael

Had to hustle over to the park to take some "outdoor" photos.

[MichaelJ]

Where'd he go???

Michael

Had to hustle over to the park to take some "outdoor" photos.

LMAO!    I think we're doing pretty good with the poor guy honestly, seems like everybody is being pretty civil, hope he sticks aroung honestly...

Michael

[fishnate]

What ever happened to Eastside Boy He would like this one

[chester]

Did that kid say that wolves in yellowstone brought back cutthroat trout?

[wolfbait]

Did that kid say that wolves in yellowstone brought back cutthroat trout?

Now Chester don't make fun of the kid, he did say he has done a lot of "research"

(The anti-predator sentiment on this site is strong. Are their folks here who support wolves returning to WA? I have done a fair amount of research on them because I consider myself an environmentalist and a hunter/fisherman.)

[KillBilly]

Support Wolves    No more or less than any other Predator.  I am not against them, God put them here for a purpose.


Given the fact that I am a Hunter/Predator I am not going to let my greed for game condemn any of the other Predators needs or rightful place in the big plan for things. All of us have needs and wants, I am not going to consider mine more important than of the other Predators.

[Skyvalhunter]

You might not but i will especially when it comes to eradication of other game animals which I quest for.

[KillBilly]

You might not but i will especially when it comes to eradication of other game animals which I quest for.

That is the same thing the Wolf is thinking...

[Hangfire]

Attended the WDFW wolf presentation in Usk a few days ago.  This was a basic wolf information talk, with slides and a question and answer session for about 20 minutes at the end. Wolves are in the northern tier of counties,, Pend Oreille, Stevens,Ferry, Okanogan counties and the Blue Mountains.

Some basic information presented:
 Collared wolves have been tracked moving 600 miles. In Washington when the population reaches 200 wolves state wide expect: Wolves will take 2,500 elk  and 4,200 deer annually. Hunters average 7,400 elk and 38,000 deer.  (that is 1/3 of the elk harvest and 11% of the deer).  They will kill livestock, Wolves consider dogs a competing species. Be carefull with dogs while hiking, hunting, herding cattle or even having a dog on a leash when in a wolf area. They had a map covering most of mid Pend Oreille county where the local wolf group recorded. They said they would not have a dog outside in that area.

I would expect, wolves will not populate the state evenly so the elk and deer losses will not be uniformally distributed through out the state.

[runamuk]

Did that kid say that wolves in yellowstone brought back cutthroat trout?

Now Chester don't make fun of the kid, he did say he has done a lot of "research"

(The anti-predator sentiment on this site is strong. Are their folks here who support wolves returning to WA? I have done a fair amount of research on them because I consider myself an environmentalist and a hunter/fisherman.)

I support NATIVE wolves not the non native invasive species they used to re populate with.  I also support grizzlies and wolverines.  I also support management just like all other species because this is not untamed unclaimed lands where the wild things can run freely and survive without intervention, humans are here and we are the top predator so its pure foolishness to take us out of the equation.  I also know wolves were not eradicated by simply hunting they are far to smart for that they were eradicated with the judicious use of poison so when people say they were hunted to the point of being gone they were not they eradicated they were killed it was not hunting, thats like calling spraying hornets hunting  

The wolves need to be managed and there must be recourse when they do damage to livestock/dogs etc those wolves need to be shot otherwise they will become bolder and bolder and eventually we will be recording a real honest to goodness attack on a human by a wolf which is going to seriously suck because it will likely be a child and will have been preventable.  Yeah thats my psychic prediction for what is going to happen.