youth moose

[jackelope]

just curious how many points you or your kids had to draw a youth moose tag. We're looking to put my buddy's boy in for a tag and were just wondering what it takes to draw.

thanks and good luck to all in the draws this year.

[Alan K]

A kid I played baseball with in high school had drawn with 3 points, and that looks like what the average winner points were in 2009 for the youth tags.

[bobcat]

I don't think any amount of points will get a kid a moose tag. With only a few permits and hundreds of applications, odds are low no matter how many points a kid might have.

i just looked it up...10 youth permits, 1083 applications, odds of 1 in 108. So it takes over 100 years of applying to draw a youth moose tag.

[shanevg]

Points don't really help you in the draw.  All me and all my brothers applied every single year we were a youth and none of us ever drew.  Just like the general moose tags, it just takes a little luck. 

[MuleDeerCrazy]

My daughter drew with three points, but I agree with the others that points don't really help that much with that many applications.  I have several other buddies that had their kids put in til they weren't eligible anymore and they never drew a youth tag, so...?

[mkcj]

My oldest son put in from the age of 9 and never got drawn my youngest got drawn with 2 points 3 years ago like all our drawings you need a little luck.

[Ridgerunner]

A little luck is probably the biggest thing you will need, pretty much everyone putting in will have roughly the same amount of points so it'll be a tough draw regardless.

[Woodchuck]

just remember the new draw system that they are cramming down our throats is gonna increase the chances...

[bobcat]

Well, nothing is changing with the moose permits. With the moose, they should make it more expensive to apply. That's about the only way to make drawing odds better, other than increasing the number of permits.

[Bob33]

Points help but they do not ensure someone will draw.  They can't.

If there are 1000 applicants and 10 permits, only 10 of the 1000 applicants will draw.  If each of the applicants has the same number of points, the odds are 10/1000 or 1 in 100.  If one of the applicant has 1001 names in the hat, and the other 999 have 1 name in the hat each, there are 2000 names in the hat.  The person with 1001 names has a 50/50 chance of drawing.  The others have a 1 in 2000 odds.  The person with 50/50 odds has a much greater chance, but it is not guaranteed.  The person with 1 in 2000 odds can also draw.  In fact, at least nine of them would.

It is the same as buying ten raffle tickets.  The person with ten has a better chance than the person with one, but neither is guaranteed to win, and the person with one might win while the person with ten does not.

Points increase someone's odds.   That's it.

[provider]

Well, nothing is changing with the moose permits.

I think there are new moose categories being proposed also.

[bobcat]

Sure not anything new as far as I can tell. Look on page 23 of the proposals.

[Craig]

Do your youth points roll over to normal points once your not a youth anymore?

[bobcat]

They should, moose points are moose points, doesn't matter what hunts you apply for.

[Bob33]

Do your youth points roll over to normal points once your not a youth anymore?

That is an interesting question.  For moose, there is only one pool of permits.  Youth can apply for some of the hunts, seniors for others, Master Hunters for some, but there is only one pool.  Thus there is only one category of moose points.

What about deer and elk?  What happens when a youth reaches age 16?  Do his youth points carry over into all the deer and elk categories? 

What about someone who becomes a senior?  What if he has 10 points in the quality bull pool but only 5 in the antlerless?  Does he start at 0 in the senior pool, or carry some over?  Which ones?