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Small ideas that make you a better bowhunter
« on: March 30, 2010, 12:05:37 PM »
I have learned a ton since I joined this site, I'm tuning better & have implemented tons of ideas. I thought I would start a thread where we can put our smaller ideas that we would not start a new thread over. If we all throw in our tidbits maybe we can fine tune our bowhunting skills & pick up a good idea or two. Here are a couple of things that help me connect.

1) I missed a couple of bulls in my early years due to poor range estimating. I hunt the east side & had a difficult time estimating. ( times when I could not use range finder ). I solved this problem by not trying to estimate the whole distance but by breaking it down in 20 yard increments. I found I can estimate 20 yards right on, so I estimate 20 yards out & then 20 more until I get to the animal. I now get within 2 yards out to 60 yards instead of off by 12.
2) Spin testing my broadheads / arrows & making them perfect has given me the most jump in accuracy.
3) I stash a meat pack & all accessories in my hunting area ( 2 miles up ) , I also leave extra water bottles not drank each unsuccessful day under my pack. The extra water sure comes in handy as I can always use more during field dressing.
4) Tree stand hunting for deer has increased my success tremendously. My stalking always did suck.

Add any ideas that you feel have helped your hunting success. No idea is to small or silly, lets hear them all.   Mike

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Re: Small ideas that make you a better bowhunter
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2010, 12:14:23 PM »
Practice from a tree stand and If you don;t have one in your backyard maybe from your balcony or window from second level.  I practice from my balcony and has helped me improve. 

Practice long range 40-50 yards, that will make a 30 yard shot easy. 

I practice with Broadheds, the same weight and brand as my hunting heads just a second set only for practice. 


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Re: Small ideas that make you a better bowhunter
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2010, 12:17:13 PM »
Dont look at the animal, pick a spot and concentrate.....NEVER MAKE EYE CONTACT !
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Re: Small ideas that make you a better bowhunter
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2010, 12:30:50 PM »
The more preparation you do prior to the hunt the more successful you will be.  This can include a lot of things but for me it has been time at the practice range year round and doing a lot more scouting.

I have also found I have been more successful since I learned to be more aggressive at crunch time.  Take the first good opportunity you have to make the shot rather than waiting for the perfect shot.
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Re: Small ideas that make you a better bowhunter
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2010, 12:31:10 PM »
Dont look at the animal, pick a spot and concentrate.....NEVER MAKE EYE CONTACT !

Along that same idea....Once you've determined animal is legal....DONT LOOK AT ANTLERS !!!!!... Remember where your looking is where your shots going 
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Re: Small ideas that make you a better bowhunter
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2010, 12:52:26 PM »
Picking a spot on a bull elk is the hardest thing for me to do ! I have a tendency to shoot at the whole animal & how can I miss ?

I had a ten year old release and have been shooting with my hand behind my neck because my release was to long. I bought a shorter release last year allowing my hand to be firmly against my jaw bone instead of my hand being out in the air. I also shortened my draw length by a half inch. Both of which have made my groups shrink.

I also come down on my target instead of coming up now, coming down is relaxing my muscle right before the shot while going up I was getting unsteady by the time I shot since I was lifting the bow to the target. I also have my finger on the trigger up to my knuckle now instead of finger tip. Using my finger tip made me punch the shot more & now I am pulling with my finger instead of punching the shot.    Mike

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Re: Small ideas that make you a better bowhunter
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2010, 01:06:03 PM »
I like to shoot as many 3-D shoots as I can during the summer when i'm not scouting.  3-D shoots will help with yardage and build ones shooting skills.

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Re: Small ideas that make you a better bowhunter
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2010, 04:41:52 PM »
I have more than one thing.  I have learned all of this in the last two years.

Preparation is key.  During the offseason I am constantly looking over harvest data. Not just the year before.  If I want to go to a new area I'll compare the harvest data to other areas.  Also I wont just look at one year I'll make a 5 year average.  I also read all of the trend reports and the herd data put out by the WDFW.  You can learn alot about a herd from these.  Such as each elk herd has a report put out by the bios that will tell you everything you need to know about that herd. 

Once I find my area I want to hunt during the winter and spring I spend hours looking at maps, google earth and gohunt constantly and bounce that off of what the trend data and herd reports say.  I also talk to the local bios since they know alot more than people think.  All of this will put me into the elk quicker than just going into the woods blind.

Once I narrow an area down with my map homework I do some scouting during the summer.  Not as much as I'd like but I do do it.  This will let me know if my hunches are correct.

Finally all spring and summer I am shooting my bow and tweaking my stuff.  Once I get everything good (usually by mid-June) I only shoot broadheads.  I also shoot using real life scenarios up in the mountains around my house.  I also practise calling and listening to ElkNuts CD's starting in June.  By September I almost have those things memorized.  I also watch elk bugling on Youtube even if its the stuff down low that tourists capture on video.  You can learn alot from elk doing their thing in a playground or school.  Watch as much about bowhunting as possible.  Also read every article and book you can find.  Even if I learn one thing in a 400 page book, that one thing might be the difference between success and tag soup.

Finally (I mean it this time) :) get in as good of shape as possible.  There's a million different excersises you can do.  I recommend P90X if you can't go to a gym.  Ride a bike walk, run, do push-ups etc.  Don't let not being in good physical condition ruin your hunt.  Also remember everything in hunting starts and end with your legs.  Stron legs will make or break your hunt.   
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Re: Small ideas that make you a better bowhunter
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2010, 04:45:43 PM »
I have more than one thing.  I have learned all of this in the last two years.

Preparation is key.  During the offseason I am constantly looking over harvest data. Not just the year before.  If I want to go to a new area I'll compare the harvest data to other areas.  Also I wont just look at one year I'll make a 5 year average.  I also read all of the trend reports and the herd data put out by the WDFW.  You can learn alot about a herd from these.  Such as each elk herd has a report put out by the bios that will tell you everything you need to know about that herd. 

Once I find my area I want to hunt during the winter and spring I spend hours looking at maps, google earth and gohunt constantly and bounce that off of what the trend data and herd reports say.  I also talk to the local bios since they know alot more than people think.  All of this will put me into the elk quicker than just going into the woods blind.

Once I narrow an area down with my map homework I do some scouting during the summer.  Not as much as I'd like but I do do it.  This will let me know if my hunches are correct.

Finally all spring and summer I am shooting my bow and tweaking my stuff.  Once I get everything good (usually by mid-June) I only shoot broadheads.  I also shoot using real life scenarios up in the mountains around my house.  I also practise calling and listening to ElkNuts CD's starting in June.  By September I almost have those things memorized.  I also watch elk bugling on Youtube even if its the stuff down low that tourists capture on video.  You can learn alot from elk doing their thing in a playground or school.  Watch as much about bowhunting as possible.  Also read every article and book you can find.  Even if I learn one thing in a 400 page book, that one thing might be the difference between success and tag soup.

Finally (I mean it this time) :) get in as good of shape as possible.  There's a million different excersises you can do.  I recommend P90X if you can't go to a gym.  Ride a bike walk, run, do push-ups etc.  Don't let not being in good physical condition ruin your hunt.  Also remember everything in hunting starts and end with your legs.  Stron legs will make or break your hunt. 
 

Oh almost forgot and this is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING hang out with like minded hunters.  If your hunting partners are the "lazy ATV back at camp by 9AM" hunters, no matter how dedicated you are you'll become like that too.  Hookup with some guys who like to go way back and push themselves to be better, guys you can learn from and guys who will motivate you like you will motivate them.  When surrounded by positive people who want to succeed this will rub off on you and you'll become the same way.  If you hang out with negative lazy hunters you'll become the same way. 

Its hard to be successfull on your own.  Its pretty easy to be successfull with a team or a partner.
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Re: Small ideas that make you a better bowhunter
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2010, 04:55:00 PM »
Practice from a tree stand and If you don;t have one in your backyard maybe from your balcony or window from second level.  I practice from my balcony and has helped me improve. 

Practice long range 40-50 yards, that will make a 30 yard shot easy. 

I practice with Broadheds, the same weight and brand as my hunting heads just a second set only for practice. 


Along those lines, I shoot at small points on targets. My targets typically have some dots on the blocks, I get to where I can not shoot the same dot more than once without endangering arrows. Once you get to that point, picking out a spot on the animal in the kill zone will help you concentrate.

I like to shoot with a partner, calling shots. Friendly competition helps us both to become better!

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Re: Small ideas that make you a better bowhunter
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2010, 07:02:25 PM »
this is all very good info

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Re: Small ideas that make you a better bowhunter
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2010, 07:16:47 PM »
One other thing... I like to shoot a LOT further than the ranges I'd call acceptable for hunting. I like to practice at 60 and 70. Once I  get to where you can put 4 arrows in a grapefruit sized target at 60 and 70, it makes 30 pretty easy. What it really does is refines your form. If your form sucks, it REALLY SHOWS at 70!!! Once you refine your form, and get it super consistent at 70, 30 becomes pretty easy. By the way, I don't shoot beyond 40 at fur.

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Re: Small ideas that make you a better bowhunter
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2010, 07:45:16 PM »
I have more than one thing.  I have learned all of this in the last two years.

Preparation is key.  During the offseason I am constantly looking over harvest data. Not just the year before.  If I want to go to a new area I'll compare the harvest data to other areas.  Also I wont just look at one year I'll make a 5 year average.  I also read all of the trend reports and the herd data put out by the WDFW.  You can learn alot about a herd from these.  Such as each elk herd has a report put out by the bios that will tell you everything you need to know about that herd. 

Once I find my area I want to hunt during the winter and spring I spend hours looking at maps, google earth and gohunt constantly and bounce that off of what the trend data and herd reports say.  I also talk to the local bios since they know alot more than people think.  All of this will put me into the elk quicker than just going into the woods blind.

Once I narrow an area down with my map homework I do some scouting during the summer.  Not as much as I'd like but I do do it.  This will let me know if my hunches are correct.

Finally all spring and summer I am shooting my bow and tweaking my stuff.  Once I get everything good (usually by mid-June) I only shoot broadheads.  I also shoot using real life scenarios up in the mountains around my house.  I also practise calling and listening to ElkNuts CD's starting in June.  By September I almost have those things memorized.  I also watch elk bugling on Youtube even if its the stuff down low that tourists capture on video.  You can learn alot from elk doing their thing in a playground or school.  Watch as much about bowhunting as possible.  Also read every article and book you can find.  Even if I learn one thing in a 400 page book, that one thing might be the difference between success and tag soup.

Finally (I mean it this time) :) get in as good of shape as possible.  There's a million different excersises you can do.  I recommend P90X if you can't go to a gym.  Ride a bike walk, run, do push-ups etc.  Don't let not being in good physical condition ruin your hunt.  Also remember everything in hunting starts and end with your legs.  Stron legs will make or break your hunt. 
 

Oh almost forgot and this is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING hang out with like minded hunters.  If your hunting partners are the "lazy ATV back at camp by 9AM" hunters, no matter how dedicated you are you'll become like that too.  Hookup with some guys who like to go way back and push themselves to be better, guys you can learn from and guys who will motivate you like you will motivate them.  When surrounded by positive people who want to succeed this will rub off on you and you'll become the same way.  If you hang out with negative lazy hunters you'll become the same way. 

Its hard to be successfull on your own.  Its pretty easy to be successfull with a team or a partner.

Great advice.
Take 6 arrows. Walk to 22 yards shoot arrow. Walk to 50 yds shoot one arrow. Walk to 31 yds one arrrow from kneeling etc, etc,
I tend not to shoot multiple arrows at one distance.
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Re: Small ideas that make you a better bowhunter
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2010, 07:46:04 PM »
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Re: Small ideas that make you a better bowhunter
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2010, 11:56:06 AM »
The amount of prep time and effort spent during the off-season WILL have a direct effect on success during the actual hunting season.  IE the more homework you do the better the odds of scoring on an animal.  This is why I believe 20% of hunters kill 80% of the game.  This is why you see some guys with kill pics every year while others don't score.
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Re: Small ideas that make you a better bowhunter
« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2010, 12:11:45 PM »
One that comes to mind - I use corn starch in a cleaned-out Elmer's Glue bottle for my wind checker.  Odorless, dirt cheap, and by constantly keeping tabs on the wind, I stay in the game more often.  I've experimented with a dozen or so different bottles and have found the glue bottle works best because it's flat shape fits well into any pocket and the twisty cap is quick and easy to control.

I also have a zip-lock baggy of down feathers in my treestand pack.  While on stand I will float a few feathers from time to time to keep track of wind currents.  It's amazing to watch what happens near the ground or as the feather hits a sunny patch.  I've had feathers come back by my stand hours after I first floated them!
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Re: Small ideas that make you a better bowhunter
« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2010, 12:17:26 PM »
Quote
One that comes to mind - I use corn starch in a cleaned-out Elmer's Glue bottle for my wind checker.  Odorless, dirt cheap, and by constantly keeping tabs on the wind, I stay in the game more often.  I've experimented with a dozen or so different bottles and have found the glue bottle works best because it's flat shape fits well into any pocket and the twisty cap is quick and easy to control.
Reminds me of the time I got my wind-checker confused with my Afrin... :bdid:  :yike: that is something I'll never do again...
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Re: Small ideas that make you a better bowhunter
« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2010, 10:07:16 PM »
Practice coming to full draw and shooting within 3-4 seconds. Best advice I can give...especially when hunting in thick country. You may have a small window.

Also practice shooting really close ranges (10yrds and less) quick draw and release without using your sight pins (instinctive)

You dont want your first time faced with that situation to be on a nice bull elk...my first was on a really nice better than full curl dall ram and it makes me want to puke thinking about the arrow sailing 4 feet over his back at 20 yards.  :'(
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Re: Small ideas that make you a better bowhunter
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2010, 10:40:56 PM »
i use in all practices of hunting the old saying that was taught to me.
aim small miss small.
allot of bowhunters just think to aim at the lungs and that is good enough while this is true i find when you focus on a small spot you groups are better. try shooting at a paper plate then try taping a dime on a plate then shoot the groups should shrink allot. my :twocents: for the day lol

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Re: Small ideas that make you a better bowhunter
« Reply #19 on: April 01, 2010, 08:48:32 AM »
Practice with your gloves on if you hunt with them.
Pick a spot to hit the animal before drawing the bow.
Pick your pin befor drawing the bow.
Concentrate on your release hand instead of your bow hand and arm.

Ive found that if I pick my spot and my pin the brain forces my eye to that pin and spot. It just happens so I dont even worry about the target and concentrate on squeezing the release.
Dont shoot if it doesnt feel good. You know when you draw the bow back if something is just not right. Everyone feels it every now and then. Your in the yard shooting, you draw back and you know your not going to hit your mark before ever releasing the arrow. Maybe the bow is torqued what ever it may be, let the bow down and redraw.

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Re: Small ideas that make you a better bowhunter
« Reply #20 on: April 01, 2010, 08:53:47 AM »
Don't forget the toilet paper.
Bring an extra release if you're more than a mile back in.
Visualize the perfect hit, find the hair that makes that hit, and squeeze until you hit it.
Buy a 3D target.  It's the best practice possible.
Go to a 3D shoot and shoot for kills not score.
After the shot, wait too long to start tracking, then wait another 20 minutes, and that might be enough if you're lucky.
On an unknown hit, mark the spot well and come back tomorrow, especially on elk.
Know how to use a GPS, but bring a compass too, and know how to use it.
Call when you tell your wife you will.
You can kill animals after being seen and heard but not smelled.
Chap stick in the pocket doesn't weigh enough to leave it behind.
Only shoot when you know you can make a clean killing shot.
Elk make more calling mistakes than we do.  If you mess up, just keep going.
Waiting for something to happen only works if you're lucky or good or in a treestand.
Aim 1/2 way up straight above the front leg on a bear.  The vitals are more forward than a deer, and the hair at the bottom is deceiving.
Find the people in an area, and you've found where not to hunt.  Look for the nasty areas around the people, and you'll find elk.
Check the 12" above your line of sight to see what branches you'll be hitting.
Pick your broadheads based on legality, then flight ability, then sharpness ability, then construction, then you can read the advertising.
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Re: Small ideas that make you a better bowhunter
« Reply #21 on: April 01, 2010, 12:18:55 PM »
Don't forget the toilet paper.
Bring an extra release if you're more than a mile back in.
Visualize the perfect hit, find the hair that makes that hit, and squeeze until you hit it.
Buy a 3D target.  It's the best practice possible.
Go to a 3D shoot and shoot for kills not score.
After the shot, wait too long to start tracking, then wait another 20 minutes, and that might be enough if you're lucky.
On an unknown hit, mark the spot well and come back tomorrow, especially on elk.
Know how to use a GPS, but bring a compass too, and know how to use it.
Call when you tell your wife you will.
You can kill animals after being seen and heard but not smelled.
Chap stick in the pocket doesn't weigh enough to leave it behind.
Only shoot when you know you can make a clean killing shot.
Elk make more calling mistakes than we do.  If you mess up, just keep going.
Waiting for something to happen only works if you're lucky or good or in a treestand.
Aim 1/2 way up straight above the front leg on a bear.  The vitals are more forward than a deer, and the hair at the bottom is deceiving.
Find the people in an area, and you've found where not to hunt.  Look for the nasty areas around the people, and you'll find elk.
Check the 12" above your line of sight to see what branches you'll be hitting.
Pick your broadheads based on legality, then flight ability, then sharpness ability, then construction, then you can read the advertising.
Mistakes create experience, but only if you think about it.
That about sums it up nice job

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Re: Small ideas that make you a better bowhunter
« Reply #22 on: April 01, 2010, 12:26:49 PM »
Mental focus.  Be prepared for 20 failed attempts before 1 successful.

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« Reply #23 on: April 01, 2010, 01:31:34 PM »
Mental focus.  Be prepared for 20 failed attempts before 1 successful.

This means that after two years of bow hunting I'm damn near there!

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Re: Small ideas that make you a better bowhunter
« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2010, 12:41:03 PM »
- Fire smoke smells a lot more natural than Tide......
- Deer don't care how white your teeth are, but they do care when they smell Crest Extra White Plus...
- Deer love Axe Body Spray more than women do....
- YOU CAN NOT CONTROL THE WIND!!!!!....
- Don't Fart.....
- Deer and Elk generally try to position themselves so they have as much visibility down wind as possible....
- There's no point in having a scent control routine or using scent control/killer products if your going to hop in your stinky truck with your hunting clothes on....
- If you insist on getting your Redbull/mocha/latte caffine fix before you hunt, then you better piss it out before you start sweating......
- Trophy buck/bull + upwind from you + perfect amount of cover and form of terrain to approach it to within shooting range?........hahahah now thats funny!
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Re: Small ideas that make you a better bowhunter
« Reply #25 on: April 02, 2010, 06:52:00 PM »
Mental focus.  Be prepared for 20 failed attempts before 1 successful.

This means that after two years of bow hunting I'm damn near there!
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Re: Small ideas that make you a better bowhunter
« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2010, 09:54:10 AM »
All great ideas.   In this weeks shooting I  implemented Wabow idea about mentally picking the yardage, pin and spot before I draw. Great idea, I have been picking the spot & pin after the draw. Now I think 40 yards, pick my pin & pick the spot I want to hit before the draw. I do it on each shot even from the same spot. Just the kind of small idea I was looking for to help. Funny how I get in a routine & don't even think of a better way until it is suggested. Thanks for all & add more. Mike

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Re: Small ideas that make you a better bowhunter
« Reply #27 on: April 03, 2010, 05:14:10 PM »
patience

Bone, you took the words right out of my mouth. That is the first thing I thought of when I read this post. The only thing you didn't do was capitalize it. PATIENCE!!!!!
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