Elk will be gone in Idaho by 2012

[bearpaw]

 

This is all funny as heck unless you live and hunt or had a business in one of the many Idaho zones significantly impacted by wolves. The wolf promoters love to say there are over 100,000 elk in Idaho and try to advertise that wolves have not harmed herds, what they avoid telling you about are the herds that were significantly reduced and the many businesses in small towns near these areas that no longer exist and there is little mention of the ranchers who lost thousands when hungry packs of wolves devoured their livestock because there wasn't enough wild game to be found. The wolfers also do not mention that it has taken nearly year around hunting seasons, trapping seasons, and government arial gunning to stop the increase of wolf numbers and reverse the decline of Idaho's big game herds. If aggressive wolf management not taken place it is very arguable that many more herds would have been impacted.

RMEF has made strong statements for managing wolves and IDFG has acknowledged the damage in numerous units by wolves. As a result IDFG implemented the needed management to reduce wolves, bear, and cougar numbers to save herds. This is all mentioned in the Idaho state management plans.

If some of you are foolish enough to believe wolves did not cause any damage to herds in Idaho and will not cause any damage to any herds in WA then so be it, have a great day. 

A reduced population of wolves might fit in the lower 48 if numbers are prevented from getting too large in any area. After all there have been wolves in Alaska and Canada all along. But the Alaskans and Canadians manage wolves heavily at times with extensive culling efforts when needed and essentially that is what Idaho is doing to save their herds. Idaho has implemented heavy predator control for all large predators with multiple cougar, bear, and wolf tags on sale and very long seasons in the zones where herds have been decimated. This has resulted in some of those game herds beginning to bounce back. Yes, wolves might fit in if predator numbers are reduced like has occurred in Canada and Idaho.

It sure seems pretty intentionally misleading for anyone to suggest that wolves did not harm Idaho's game herds or that more herds would not have been damaged if Idaho had not started significant lethal management of all large predators to reverse the declining trend of many Idaho herds.

FACT: IDFG has published data supporting the fact that wolves and other large predators did impact Idaho big game herds.

[bobcat]

Nobody has said wolves don't kill elk. The thing is, why exaggerate and say there will be absolutely no elk left in the state of Idaho in 2012? That was the title of this thread.

[Machias]

Nobody has said wolves don't kill elk. The thing is, why exaggerate and say there will be absolutely no elk left in the state of Idaho in 2012? That was the title of this thread.

Sure wish you would use that reasoning with the Global Warming issue.

[bearpaw]

Nobody has said wolves don't kill elk. The thing is, why exaggerate and say there will be absolutely no elk left in the state of Idaho in 2012? That was the title of this thread.

I definitely agree that the title is a stretch and does not help with the facts.
I also get very tired of the other extreme side who try to infer there are no impacts.

[bobcat]

Why would you care what I think about globs warming, and what does that have to do with wolves?

[idahohuntr]

Nobody has said wolves don't kill elk. The thing is, why exaggerate and say there will be absolutely no elk left in the state of Idaho in 2012? That was the title of this thread.

Hmmm...lets look at a little line from the OP: If you all would make a You Tube account, and from time to time throw a little support, it would be greatly appreciated.

Bold, terrifiying predictions are used by all sides on controversial topics to line their pockets.  Its not unique to enviro whackos.  A lot of fringe groups use tactics like this

[bearpaw]

Nobody has said wolves don't kill elk. The thing is, why exaggerate and say there will be absolutely no elk left in the state of Idaho in 2012? That was the title of this thread.

Hmmm...lets look at a little line from the OP: If you all would make a You Tube account, and from time to time throw a little support, it would be greatly appreciated.

Bold, terrifiying predictions are used by all sides on controversial topics to line their pockets.  Its not unique to enviro whackos.  A lot of fringe groups use tactics like this

I agree, it's unfortunate that happens so often.

[Machias]

Why would you care what I think about globs warming, and what does that have to do with wolves?

Because you and a couple of other guys buy in lock stock and barrel when the Global Warming nut jobs come out with the same outlandish claims you are now making fun of.  The irony is amazing!!

[bobcat]

Machias,  sounds like you know me better than I know myself! I still don't really get what you're saying. I do tend to believe in scientists more than I believe in conspiracy theorists. I don't even know what to think about global warming, and I don't think you or anyone else knows the cause of global warming either. Even the scientists don't know what is causing it. And again, what this has to do with wolves, I don't have a clue.

[bearpaw]

Why would you care what I think about globs warming, and what does that have to do with wolves?

Because you and a couple of other guys buy in lock stock and barrel when the Global Warming nut jobs come out with the same outlandish claims you are now making fun of.  The irony is amazing!!

A little FYI - I recently read a news report somewhere saying that scientists lied about recorded temperatures last year. They adjusted them up by a degree to make temps better fit their earth warming narrative. Reminds me of the lynx study! 

[Dan-o]

Why would you care what I think about globs warming, and what does that have to do with wolves?

Because you and a couple of other guys buy in lock stock and barrel when the Global Warming nut jobs come out with the same outlandish claims you are now making fun of.  The irony is amazing!!

A little FYI - I recently read a news report somewhere saying that scientists lied about recorded temperatures last year. They adjusted them up by a degree to make temps better fit their earth warming narrative. Reminds me of the lynx study! 

Government grant funded scientists fudging their data to reflect the politically correct answer???

Well, knock me over with a feather!

[BOWHUNTER45]

Just peeeeeses a guy off ...These whack heads want wolves and continue to state that wolves need to eat too , then they all should be rounded up and send them to the San Juan islands with a pack of ten wolves and see how they like being eaten alive 

[Machias]

Machias,  sounds like you know me better than I know myself! I still don't really get what you're saying. I do tend to believe in scientists more than I believe in conspiracy theorists. I don't even know what to think about global warming, and I don't think you or anyone else knows the cause of global warming either. Even the scientists don't know what is causing it. And again, what this has to do with wolves, I don't have a clue.

Never mind brother, it wasn't about wolves and it wasn't about global warming.  It was about YOU cracking on a guy for making outlandish claims....when in fact in the past you're all in on other guys doing the exact same thing.  But I'm guessing you won't get that either. 

[bobcat]

No, I don't. But that's okay, I'm not in the mood to argue about global warming. All I care about right now is figuring out what I'm going to hunt this year, and where. Maybe I'll go to Idaho for elk since I've been told there are still a few left! 

[Machias]

Good luck over there, if you need any help let me know, I've spent quite a bit of time over there hunting them.