permit changes

[trophyhunt]

I talked to the head of special permits for the wdfw today about the new system, probably no changes for 3 years but he did say they are considering making another category. The new category if they decide would be open to those with 10 points or more only, like special elk permits and other game species. They would allocate 25% of the tags given out for the particular unit to those eligible, I like the Idea myself.

[fishingnut71]

Just more money out of our pocket and into theirs.

[jackelope]

buckle up, this one's gonna go big.

[vandeman17]

 

[Ridgerunner]

I'm telling you they are on the leading edge of how to profit from permit apps, I shouldn't be surprised, but I'm not really in favor of this idea.

[DaveBTS]

I mentioned this in my review this Spring, but they should allow for people to put in for any elk permit. If you draw, then buy the corresponding East or West tag.

[Deer slayer]

Did they tell you when the permits would be mailed for this years draw?

[steen]

It seems to me that if you have 10 points times that by ten and that is how many opportunities you have to draw (100)  It seems the more points you have sooner or later you should draw.  From what I understant 2 points is 2x2= 4 3x3=6 and so on.  If you have 1 point that is all the draw you get is 1.  If I'm wrong say so.  Seems the more points the more chances.  Just gotta have patience I guess and enjoy the hunt you have.  I can't wait for our general season Mulie hunt with the kids.  Missed it last year on a Blues Bull permit.  I just enjoy hunting, don't necessarily have kill a big one, or one at all.  Love watching the kids kill one, those hunts have been some of the best I've ever had.  Just being possitive.

[trophyhunt]

He didn't tell me when the permits will be mailed out, the only thing positive for me this year is my daughter drew for the greenriver water shed for any buck.

[trophyhunt]

As far as patients goes..... I've waited 15 years, I like the idea of a 10 or more tag.

[Deer slayer]

6 years ago I got ten points on a poaching case. Last year I put in for the wenaha with 19 points and didn't get drawn. Drew this year with 20. I was starting to not believe in system.

[400out]

6 years ago I got ten points on a poaching case. Last year I put in for the wenaha with 19 points and didn't get drawn. Drew this year with 20. I was starting to not believe in system.

Man I saw  picture of a monster today from around there good luck have fun

[Deer slayer]

Any way you can post a picture?

[Recurve-Elk]

it all depends on the tag you are drawing for.  If you apply for the really hard to get ones, then you probably will be waiting for a number of years

[wastickslinger]

It seems to me that if you have 10 points times that by ten and that is how many opportunities you have to draw (100)  It seems the more points you have sooner or later you should draw.  From what I understant 2 points is 2x2= 4 3x3=6 and so on.  If you have 1 point that is all the draw you get is 1.  If I'm wrong say so.  Seems the more points the more chances.  Just gotta have patience I guess and enjoy the hunt you have.  I can't wait for our general season Mulie hunt with the kids.  Missed it last year on a Blues Bull permit.  I just enjoy hunting, don't necessarily have kill a big one, or one at all.  Love watching the kids kill one, those hunts have been some of the best I've ever had.  Just being possitive.

You are right but it is still a lottery and a guy who is in with 1 point may draw the only tag in a unit whil the guys who are in 196 times strike out. Its all luck still. And 3X3 is 9. 

[monster10]

I mentioned this in my review this Spring, but they should allow for people to put in for any elk permit. If you draw, then buy the corresponding East or West tag.

  A Men

[SkookumHntr]

I mentioned this in my review this Spring, but they should allow for people to put in for any elk permit. If you draw, then buy the corresponding East or West tag.

 A Men

-That would be the worst thing they could do! Well besides what they have already done but that would create the ultimate joke of a system! Remember better draw odds, not worse!

[SkookumHntr]

I talked to the head of special permits for the wdfw today about the new system, probably no changes for 3 years but he did say they are considering making another category. The new category if they decide would be open to those with 10 points or more only, like special elk permits and other game species. They would allocate 25% of the tags given out for the particular unit to those eligible, I like the Idea myself.

-Thats what they were suppost to do this year!! But what about the hunts with 3 or less tags?? Did he say anything about those??

[WDFW Hates ME!!!]

what i find rediculous is people who only put in for a hunt that has a 1 percent chance of drawing and cant figure out why they cant draw it with 10-15 points. if you want to draw a tag put in for an easier draw. i have never drawn a tag and have alot of points and would rather have what we had last year than anyting new.

[SkookumHntr]

-If the guys at the top arnt getting drawn then it just stays completly random and will never cycle through! Getting the guys with 16 pts out of the draw pools increases the odds of guys with less points a bunch! 

[Ridgerunner]

If you look at the statistics, for teh most part the guys with the highest number of points are definately the minority.  Why?  Probably becuase they are putting in for the hardest hunts with very slim drawing odds so they have to wait, points don't guarantee you anything in this state, it just can significantly increase your odds the more points you have but there will always be an element of luck associated with drawing tags.  Even if a guy has 15 points for an OIL tag there is never a guarantee they will draw that tag, not when there are often over 1000 apps for one tag. Thats where luck comes in. 

[Bob33]

There are too many applicants for too few permits in Washington. You can slice it and dice it up however you want, but that's the bottom line.  Very few will get drawn for the best permits.

[Todd_ID]

Bob's right on this.  There are simply too many hunters and not enough animals for the state to let us kill as many as we'd like to.  We have trophy areas simply because the state has kept the hunters from killing too many by having a hard draw and long-odds general seasons.  If we switched to a system where guys could draw the tags they want every five to ten years, then the trophy potential of those areas would be absolutely wiped out.  You can only shoot so many 330+ bulls in the Nooksack before there are none left to hunt.

[Recurve-Elk]

   well said.  With out game management and conservation, with out it we all would be scratching our heads saying "where did all the elk go?"

[willapawapiti]

Thanks gentlemen, that's just the reality of things here in WA!  I didn't draw with 25 elk points this year, yes 25, not too bummed really.  It's coming eventually.  I'm still hunting and consider it a privelege. l live for the hunt and taking my kids out, special hunts are just a bonus!

[lonedave]

I've watched several of these type posts and talked to lots of people in the past about the whole point system and special permits and one option has come to mind that I don't think has been put out there for discussion.  Now this is just for talking purposes and I don't know if I'd go for it or not.  What if for those few really good trophy hunts and rut permits, when you put in and didn't draw, you couldn't hunt elk at all for the year.  Like I said, I'm not sure I'd do it, but I do know a few people that have been putting in for the October Naches tag since they started the points in 1996 and have never drawn it.  One friend with 15 points now has only hunted a few times in all those years as he doesn't have a big desire to hunt spikes.  What if for guys like him or others who are reaching a ripe old age that they may not be able to even go if they ever draw, could just put in for one of those areas or nothing?  I would think that the competition would go way down for those tags and would also drop a few people out of other secondary areas when they didn't draw.  I know for me it would be a huge decision, but maybe, just maybe if the odds were a lot better, I might sacrifice one or two of my dwindling hunting years to try it.

Just a thought....Don't shoot me!!   

Dave

[rb2506]

i might consider

[billythekidrock]

I've watched several of these type posts and talked to lots of people in the past about the whole point system and special permits and one option has come to mind that I don't think has been put out there for discussion.  Now this is just for talking purposes and I don't know if I'd go for it or not.  What if for those few really good trophy hunts and rut permits, when you put in and didn't draw, you couldn't hunt elk at all for the year.  Like I said, I'm not sure I'd do it, but I do know a few people that have been putting in for the October Naches tag since they started the points in 1996 and have never drawn it.  One friend with 15 points now has only hunted a few times in all those years as he doesn't have a big desire to hunt spikes.  What if for guys like him or others who are reaching a ripe old age that they may not be able to even go if they ever draw, could just put in for one of those areas or nothing?  I would think that the competition would go way down for those tags and would also drop a few people out of other secondary areas when they didn't draw.  I know for me it would be a huge decision, but maybe, just maybe if the odds were a lot better, I might sacrifice one or two of my dwindling hunting years to try it.

Just a thought....Don't shoot me!!   

Dave

Since they elimated the 3 day wait for applicants years ago, I really doubt a no hunt clause would fly.

[Elkaholic daWg]

Just more money out of our pocket and into theirs.

 

 COOL! Another category where your chances will be worse than ANY other!  





 Lonedave...another idea... go back to pre  1998 rules where you could buy a general tag and start hunting saturday, OR buy a permit tag, and if not drawn you must wait until the following monday. I know it makes too much sense and would dry up their coffers!


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[trophyhunt]

I talked to the head of special permits for the wdfw today about the new system, probably no changes for 3 years but he did say they are considering making another category. The new category if they decide would be open to those with 10 points or more only, like special elk permits and other game species. They would allocate 25% of the tags given out for the particular unit to those eligible, I like the Idea myself.

-Thats what they were suppost to do this year!! But what about the hunts with 3 or less tags?? Did he say anything about those??

I did ask that question mostly because thats the number of tags I have been applying for, he wasn't too sure about what to do with that but thought maby just take one tag out of the three.

[SkookumHntr]

I talked to the head of special permits for the wdfw today about the new system, probably no changes for 3 years but he did say they are considering making another category. The new category if they decide would be open to those with 10 points or more only, like special elk permits and other game species. They would allocate 25% of the tags given out for the particular unit to those eligible, I like the Idea myself.

-Thats what they were suppost to do this year!! But what about the hunts with 3 or less tags?? Did he say anything about those??

I did ask that question mostly because thats the number of tags I have been applying for, he wasn't too sure about what to do with that but thought maby just take one tag out of the three.

That would help or 50% of the tags!! Atleast in the quality pool, and if you apply for these hunts being not able to apply in the Bull catagory, helping the Bull odds! And also in the quality if you apply for these you have a 3 day wait till you can start your season like it use to be! And jack the cost way up on the cost to apply for the quality hunts! And limit it to 1 hunt choice, And.... Hell I could go on and on

[B.G.hunter]

Washington needs to do like Idaho and split the goat, moose and sheep away from deer and elk.  This would improve the drawing odds in all categories so the hunters would have a better chance of drawing the tags they really want not just one they would settle for. 

[trophyhunt]

I believe the department draws the tags by the hunt numbers not our wild ID's, so the drawing are already seperate. I drew 15th in my 1st choice for quality and 29th for my second choice in the quality.

[bobcat]

I drew 15th in my 1st choice for quality and 29th for my second choice in the quality.

               

[SkookumHntr]

I believe the department draws the tags by the hunt numbers not our wild ID's, so the drawing are already seperate. I drew 15th in my 1st choice for quality and 29th for my second choice in the quality.

-I think he was meaning pick between the once in alifetime hunts or deer and Elk! That would be a great move to increase draw odds!

[1bugman]

I believe the department draws the tags by the hunt numbers not our wild ID's, so the drawing are already seperate. I drew 15th in my 1st choice for quality and 29th for my second choice in the quality.

Where did you find this info? It be kinda cool to see what # I drew.

[trophyhunt]

There is a lady in charge of permits who I called at the wdfw, it wasn't the permit manager. Sorry can't remember her name. It took a little explaining to her to what kind of info I was after, the info was interesting. She also told me the amount of points the winners had in the catagory I was applying for.