Tribal Regs????

[runamuk]

loyalty to my children and grandchildren means I want them to see wildlife in the wild and not only in zoos so brown purple or yellow skin doesn't matter I am not gonna hunt any population into oblivion just because I CAN....or am entitled to by a treaty.
I also have friends who are native and possibly native blood in my veins.....this does not mean I shouldnt fight for proper management and equal access.... currently management is impossible and access is not equal.  Discrimination by a minority is no better than discrimination by a majority its all still discrimination.

[colockumelk]

Since we are getting into definitoins here is one for you;

Loyalty: the state or quality of being loyal; faithfulness to commitments or obligations. When I'm friends with someone I'm loyal, I'm not going to sit back and let people talk sh*t about my friends and do nothing about it.

As for there rights whether you agree with them or not It isn't going to change so people need to get over it and get on with their lives.

I'm not the only one on here with this feeling so why aren't you talking sh*t to them?

Actually they can and will change. As soon as we get a new set of leadership in and WE as hunters and sportsman are willing to SUE for equal rights based on discrimination based upon race they will be deemed unconstitutional and will be struck down just like slavery and the Jim crow laws. We just need to first come together using photographic evidence and raise awareness etc to help the ball along. IT WILL HAPPEN!!! Oh and you didn't sound like a spokesman to me.

[Team Baze]

l means I want them to see wildlife in the wild and not only in zoos so brown purple or yellow skin doesn't matter I am not gonna hunt any population into oblivion just because I CAN....or am entitled to by a treaty.

This is exactlly what I'm talking about, just because a Indian is out hunting you are assuming they are killing anything that walks? They do have limits on how much they can harvest. I bet you there are NON-Indian poachers out there that do more damage then what tribal hunters do to the elk population. I have a friend who is part of the Elwha tribe and his hunting season is 6 months long but he can only take 1 elk.

[buckmaster_wa]

I tell you what. The Yakama indians must not have any bag limit on animals because they usually try to fill the bed of there trucks up with bulls and bucks when they go hunting.

[ICEMAN]

Baze, the problem I have seen is that a single hunter for a tribe very often is allowed to hunt and fill many many tags for many many folks annual allotment, then for additional tribal ceremonies, then to refill freezers if and when the power goes out and the meat "spoils".

[monster_bull]

The question i ask any non - enrolled member is What if you where enrolled Would you go hunting?

[alanger]

l means I want them to see wildlife in the wild and not only in zoos so brown purple or yellow skin doesn't matter I am not gonna hunt any population into oblivion just because I CAN....or am entitled to by a treaty.

This is exactlly what I'm talking about, just because a Indian is out hunting you are assuming they are killing anything that walks? They do have limits on how much they can harvest. I bet you there are NON-Indian poachers out there that do more damage then what tribal hunters do to the elk population. I have a friend who is part of the Elwha tribe and his hunting season is 6 months long but he can only take 1 elk.

NOW your suggesting its not indians at all when they dont even care and tell us they are??? ok. well with 8 posts it doesnt look like your that active of a poster maybe you should check out some past indian threads there BUB, Im just saying they are digging a hole for them selves and your just helping them fill it back up.

[runamuk]

The question i ask any non - enrolled member is What if you where enrolled Would you go hunting?

NO not any more than I do now.  There should me no special rules on public lands for one group of people based solely on race period.  They can kill as much as they want on their land.

You mention the Elwha tribe so do they think its fair that they have rules and follow them and others can hunt the same grounds however they please  because I know there are a few tribes that have good regulations and work with local agencies and actually turn in numbers but this is mostly in other states where the boldt decision did not grant them super special rights above and beyond what the treaty actually reads 

[bobcat]

The question i ask any non - enrolled member is What if you where enrolled Would you go hunting?

Sure I would go hunting but I wouldn't say I was hunting for meat for my family and then go out and kill 10 mature bulls out of the same area, and sell the heads to taxidermist or to whoever will buy them and/or enter them in the record books.   

[pods8]

This is exactlly what I'm talking about, just because a Indian is out hunting you are assuming they are killing anything that walks? They do have limits on how much they can harvest. I bet you there are NON-Indian poachers out there that do more damage then what tribal hunters do to the elk population. I have a friend who is part of the Elwha tribe and his hunting season is 6 months long but he can only take 1 elk.

How well do you think the elk populations would do if ALL Washington residents had 6 months to take any elk they wanted with any weapon?  So remind me again how its not racist that this person just by virtue of birth gets that right to elk on public land (which is funded and managed by all of us) where as the rest of us need to stick to a couple week season with limitations on which elk we can take (assuming we don't have a special permit that everyone can apply for)?  Then factor in other tribes have even looser "regulations" for themselves...  Its a ridiculous situation in the year 2010.  "We" don't treat indians in the negative ways aside from hunting that went on when these treaties were signed still, why is hunting unable to keep up with modern progress?

[Wazukie]

This thread is funny, lol.  It's full of people who want to change the Indians.  An interesting thought for sure.  How about we look at the problems within ourselves first.  I have a job that lets me spend a lot of time in the woods.  For the last 2 weeks I've spent time with my son bear hunting where there has been a lot of archery hunters.  How many deer and elk do you think have been hit with an arrow this week and never recovered?  I know of at least 10 in one unit. In just a few days, muzzy season starts, how many then?  It might be fun for many of you to sit on the internet and complain about what you see the Natives do that you would never do, and to talk about 100 year old treaties and how out dated they are.  I think that we white folk have enough problems of our own.  I dont know how many of you folks actually live in the woods, but there is a whole lot more poaching going on then just what the Indians do.  How many of you have ever snagged a salmon or stealhead and kept it?  Well guess what, if you did, you poached that fish.  There are way to many animals dying in the woods because people dont know how to shoot their weapon.  Don't know if this makes any sense or not but just some thoughts from a guy who lives on the Mountain.

Cheers

[pods8]

This thread is funny, lol.  It's full of people who want to change the Indians.  An interesting thought for sure.  How about we look at the problems within ourselves first.  I have a job that lets me spend a lot of time in the woods.  For the last 2 weeks I've spent time with my son bear hunting where there has been a lot of archery hunters.  How many deer and elk do you think have been hit with an arrow this week and never recovered?  I know of at least 10 in one unit. In just a few days, muzzy season starts, how many then?  It might be fun for many of you to sit on the internet and complain about what you see the Natives do that you would never do, and to talk about 100 year old treaties and how out dated they are.  I think that we white folk have enough problems of our own.  I dont know how many of you folks actually live in the woods, but there is a whole lot more poaching going on then just what the Indians do.  How many of you have ever snagged a salmon or stealhead and kept it?  Well guess what, if you did, you poached that fish.  There are way to many animals dying in the woods because people dont know how to shoot their weapon.  Don't know if this makes any sense or not but just some thoughts from a guy who lives on the Mountain.

Cheers

Those are definitely problems for sure but doesn't change the fact its racist that Indians are allowed grossly more privileges (we aren't talking poaching here) on PUBLIC land that all of us are funding.  Distraction isn't a solution to the problem.

[Wazukie]

  Distraction isn't a solution to the problem.

Like I said, LOL

[steen]

I shot my elk on tribal land in the Blues last year.  I didn't see any tribal hunters at all just the manager of the tribal land.  He gave us a map of the area so we knew where the bounderies were.  It was a pleasant hunt, my first elk (6X6)and he asked for a signed picture of me and the elk.  You just can't shot a cow on the tribal land.  It has just been opened up to regular hunters in the last few years.  I got the idea the tribal members didn't hunt it.  He was from Oregon.  

[FC]

This argument is stupid. I'm sure not all indians are wasteful pukes that take as much of everything as they can possibly get away with, sell what they can before they get too drunk and waste the rest. All but one of them that i have had any experience with do though, I've been soured on more than one friendship over this kind of behavior.

Have I seen non-indians poach or pull similar bs? Sure! The difference being that it seems to be about 1-10% of non-indians doing this and 1-10% of indians NOT doing this.