Tribal Regs????

[Practical Approach]

I wouldn't mind all the special treaty rights if they were 100%   Don't just pick and choose what you want to use or develop.  Hold them true to the date they were written.   When the treaty's were written do the think they meant diesel powered gill net boats.  I thought canoe and cedar nets.   Whaling with 50 cal.  No !


Don't get mad at the tribes for casinos.  It was Gov. Greg that said the state did not want any money from gaming! 
 

Be carefull what you wish for.  Tribes used to run herds off cliffs.  They also used no not have seasons.  There was a larger native population as well.  The treaty's also don't address methods for taking game.  I don't think that anyone at the time of treaty signing expected so many people jammed in Washington. 

[whiteeyes]

What it all boils down to is if I cant hunt like the Indians than its not right and fair to me so lets try and change everything to my liking because its all about me and screw everything past and present. As it stands now we have so many laws and rules coming down from big brother that he is here to save us from ourselves because of all the "its not fair " and "they hurt my feelings"  society.
I think we need to worry about keeping our Land of the Free and The Right to Bare Arms more than a few Indians hunting there given Treaty rights.



Peace

[colockumelk]

So who is imposing the unequal rights on the state hunter?  Is it the tribes?  or is it ourselves?  The fact that state and tribal regulations look different, does that make it unequal rights?  No. It is just different regulations.  The tribes set their regulations based on their needs and their population while the state sets our regs based on what the populations can sustain due to a large hunting populace.  Based on the unequal rights arguments I am hearing, would it be safe to say that our neighboring state hunters have unequal rights since they might be able to get doe tags over the counter and we cant?  I have to pay out of state fees to hunt Montana this year.  Isn't than an unequal right as a U.S. citizen?   

No and I'll tell you why you're comparing apples to oranges.  ALL out of state hunters have to pay the same price in Montana, doesn't matter if your from Oregon, Utah or Washington.  We all pay the same.  All Montana Residents have to pay the same price as other Montana Residents. Also game laws differ from area to area based on the amount of game that can be responsibly harvested from each area.  So it is not unfair that in Montana each hunter can buy ten doe tags and in Washington we can only harvest one deer.  Different area, different game regulations.   So good try but not even close. 

[colockumelk]

What it all boils down to is if I cant hunt like the Indians than its not right and fair to me so lets try and change everything to my liking because its all about me and screw everything past and present. As it stands now we have so many laws and rules coming down from big brother that he is here to save us from ourselves because of all the "its not fair " and "they hurt my feelings"  society.
I think we need to worry about keeping our Land of the Free and The Right to Bare Arms more than a few Indians hunting there given Treaty rights.



Peace

 NO!!!!!    YOU COMPLETELY MISSED THE POINT!!!!  Its not about me, me, me.  Its about equal rights.  Do you defend discrimination and think that its okay?  Descriibe to all of us how it is okay that one group has more rights than another group based solely on race?  Please we are all ears!!!!  Did you know that there used to be some laws that gave one group of people more rights based solely on their race?  It was called the Jim Crow laws.  And do you know why there are no longer the Jim Crow laws??  BECAUSE THEY WERE DEEMED UNCONSTITUTIONAL.  So enjoy your rights while they last because the time is coming that your extra rights will also be deemed unconstitutional because of discrimination.  So again please tell us why you think discrimination is okay!

[Old Raven]

Ladies and Gents.....We all must come to terms with what we are dealt. From both sides there are great arguments. So to try and sum up opportunity for all...we all want to hunt. We all want to put food on our tables. And most important of all is we all want these natural resources. The only fault is having to compromise due to our rough history. That goes for Natives and others alike. White man came to a world which was not owned, but utilized. The Natives were here already.....doing what they knew to be necessary. Whites came and plundered and pillaged. And it has not changed. People say equal this and equal that. WELL...tell me your family history and bloodlines and try to argue your point. We choose to live under these circumstances. Natives did not have a choice. They just wanted to cotinue living the way they know how. That has always been the way. Provide for all and survive. Continue to carry tradition folks, it is fully realized by natives and whites and yet some want change. And who wants change....both sides. It is best to come to terms with this. Or we have still proved that race does not change......times do. Lets put all our opinions aside for a sec to take that in................I feel better already. Everybody works for everybody when it comes to these things. Please be considerate of history, and how much we have changed already with regards to the topic. This is my NATIVE PEACE on the matter. Hope we can stop and enjoy what we all have. And by the way...I am native but I do not have the priveleges that come with. I choose to not live on reservation...mostly because I hail from S.E. Alaska where there are nreservations or privelages. It has always been this way. Anyways, I buy my licence here in WA and still fill my freezer.  So, more opportunity, maybe for Rez folks. However...it is the hunter that puts the work in who succeeds. Enjoy the times folks, the world will still change.

[colockumelk]

Very nice post old raven. However you still never addressed how and why you think discrimination based on ones race is okay.  Yes I know all about the history and how my ancestors defeated yours. It happens someone has to lose in war. Let me tell you about my people. They also hailed from a tribe. They also relied on hunting to survive. Then another people from another world came and conquered them. And they were treated far worse than thewhites treated your people. My peoples way of life was completely destroyed. Either they assimilated into that culture or they were eradicated. Unlike how the Americans treated your people by allowing them to continue their culture and traditions given a reservation and welfare for life my people were told become one of us or die. My ancestors were members of what the Romans called the "Barbarian Horde".

My people were part of one of the various Germanic tribes who lived much like your people until the Romans took all they had in a far more brutal fashion than your ancestors experienced. So by your way of thinking I should be claiming some reparations and rights com Italy right now be wise of what they did to my ancestors. The point I'm making is WE ALL understand what happened we all know our history but how long is long enough in regards to setting things strait?

One of THE most horrible things America did to your people was creating reservations and giving out reparations. This has created people entirely dependent on the US Government. (Much like our current Presidential is trying to do to all of America)

You talk about change. How can you expect the various tribes to move forward and prosper if they are so focused on the past? All we want are EQUAL RIGHTS when it comes to hunting. Is that wrong. Do you think African-Americans were wrong for wanting to do away with the Jim Crow paws?  Also when we talk about making hunting equal we mean off reservation. On reservation ya'll can ego whatever you want.

We want to fix all unequality as well. Many on here talk about the treaty. That treaty is EXTREMELY dis discriminatory against Natives as well. Did you know the Yakamas and others are not allowed to touch alcohol. The Yakamas harp and harp about their prescious treaty and how it shouldnt be violated and if it is than America cheated the poor Indian again. Yet they drink all the time. They are constantly breaking the treaty, so if they break the treaty shouldnt WE also be allowed to do so? All we really want is equality and fairness for all. It is wrong that people have more rights than I do because of the color of their skin!! Just like its unfair that I can enjoy a beer but a Yakama can't be cause of the color of his skin.

[colockumelk]

No to highjack but...  This is what I have to say about all of this.  Talk is cheap.  Its all about actions and getting the ball rolling.  Click here.

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,58225.0.html

[Roundhead]

Ok here goes my big mouth...sure some here might if they could and if i knew my actual heritage I might be indian enough somehwere to have extra rights...I am female enough to join the feminist wagon of deserving special treatment but dont want it I want to be equal not segregated.

The natives choose segregation by continuing to abuse and use special rights and continuing to want to be treated different and not equal the ones who want to be equal leave the rez in my experience and often do not go back.

so fire away I really do not care anymore I work for a tribe and see first hand how being allowed to discriminate works in modern society...on the rez I am not equal not even close....

You are so true. They call it "Tribal Preference".

[monster_bull]

i am native. and i don't abuse *censored*. Yes i hunt. and yes i will shoot what i need to fill my freezer and yes i will shoot bulls and bucks and does and cows. it is my birth right. and yours is to buy a tag and wait in line. you can thank your ancestors for that.they came and killed everything they seen for hides and horns. not for food buy for money and glory.  my land was almost 3/4 of Washington until the whites came and put my
ancestors on 1.3 million acres. I hunt were my birth right is. What belongs to me. you guys hunt on my ceded land. So what.. if a native shoots
a bull.. and.... Some pf you guys are just jealous that you cant... I do have an opened mind. but all you guys do is bash Natives. what you think
talking crap about Natives is going to stop us from hunting. You just make us mad. Just because were different and have something that you
want and you cant have it. You think you need to take it from us. Just like your ancestors.

[grundy53]

i am native. and i don't abuse *censored*. Yes i hunt. and yes i will shoot what i need to fill my freezer and yes i will shoot bulls and bucks and does and cows. it is my birth right. and yours is to buy a tag and wait in line. you can thank your ancestors for that.they came and killed everything they seen for hides and horns. not for food buy for money and glory.   my land was almost 3/4 of Washington until the whites came and put my
ancestors on 1.3 million acres. I hunt were my birth right is. What belongs to me. you guys hunt on my ceded land. So what.. if a native shoots
a bull.. and.... Some pf you guys are just jealous that you cant... I do have an opened mind. but all you guys do is bash Natives. what you think
talking crap about Natives is going to stop us from hunting. You just make us mad. Just because were different and have something that you
want and you cant have it. You think you need to take it from us. Just like your ancestors.

You completely missed the point. We don't want what you guys have we want you guys to be responsible and not destroy our game herds. We practice responsible management and some natives just abuse the hell out of the herds...

[monster_bull]

but you acted like all natives do. it doesnt help bashing them.  trust me. you dont want every one on the rez going of the rez.

[3dsheetmetal]

i am native. and i don't abuse *censored*. Yes i hunt. and yes i will shoot what i need to fill my freezer and yes i will shoot bulls and bucks and does and cows. it is my birth right. and yours is to buy a tag and wait in line. you can thank your ancestors for that.they came and killed everything they seen for hides and horns. not for food buy for money and glory.   my land was almost 3/4 of Washington until the whites came and put my
ancestors on 1.3 million acres. I hunt were my birth right is. What belongs to me. you guys hunt on my ceded land. So what.. if a native shoots
a bull.. and.... Some pf you guys are just jealous that you cant... I do have an opened mind. but all you guys do is bash Natives. what you think
talking crap about Natives is going to stop us from hunting. You just make us mad. Just because were different and have something that you
want and you cant have it. You think you need to take it from us. Just like your ancestors.

Guess what you lose we win that is the way of the world,for now you get our hand outs. but keep taking advantage of it and that some day that will change to.It's not your land anymore it is called the United States of America.So come out of your teepee and join the 21 century .Welcome make the most of it okay!!!!!

[monster_bull]

Guess what you lose we win that is the way of the world,for now you get our hand outs. but keep taking advantage of it and that some day that will change to.It's not your land anymore it is called the United States of America.So come out of your teepee and join the 21 century .Welcome make the most of it okay!!!!!
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ok. ok it is the USA but its still my ceded land. and i dont take hand outs. i  will come out of my tee pee staight to my ceded land and go shoot some elk.

[3dsheetmetal]

  :Whatever good luck

[monster_bull]

  thanks...