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Agreed Sisu, and I think that is the basis that started the whole current discussion. I think to a certain degree most of us hunters are on the same line of thinking when it comes to wolves. Problem is when you have people who are very outspoken and on the extreme end of the wolf management issue insulting those that are for the most part on the same side of the issue you will have a very hard time having everyone coming to the same consensus.WB, I guess I am just not asking the question clearly enough. I am looking for proof that the "Canadian" wolf is not the same wolf that was eradicated from the lower 48 almost 100yrs ago. The argument is made over and over that the introduced wolves are an invasive non-native species and that the native species is more like what you described in your post. As for WDFW releasing wolves I would love to see proof of that.
Quote from: bearpaw on September 14, 2010, 12:30:56 PMQuote from: rasbo on September 14, 2010, 10:39:41 AMNot to sound vicious but,you and many others make a living on the killing of game animals for sport,and you bring in many outta state hunters to kill the game at a high price.Much like bringing the wolves from somewhere else that kills the states animals...Is that not what the other side has for fodder to the argument.I cant make it work in my mind where you have a dog in the fight other than for monetary pourposes..isn't it how the masses that we need to sway might see it.WHAT - This is the kind of comment that really does a lot to unite hunters. I spend a good deal of my time trying to do what is best for wildllife, that comment is just dispicable and disgusting. I will refrain from really speaking my mind, but maybe you will get the idea anyway. Quite frankly I get tired of this cheap shot idiotic stupid mentality. I donate more hunts to good causes to support wildlife than you even know, in addition to the deals and hunts I have offered to this forum. Yes you hit a nerve.....FYI - Most of my clients are resident hunters who work average jobs here in Washington. They save up all year so they can go on a good hunt. Probably 1/3 of my hunters go on meat hunts with no trophies involved. What really pi$$es me off is half the people with this attitude pay guides to hunt out of state or they hire fishing guides right here in Washington or buy books to get info on where to hunt. Talk about a bunch of double standard hypocrits. If you have never paid a guide for hunting or fishing help or bought books on how to improve your hunting in Washington or elsewhere, then I guess you can complain about me fairly, but if you ever have, you are just a hypocrit. So the next time someone is thinking this, I suggest you look in the mirror before you open your mouth. Furthermore, WDFW empolyees are all making a living off wildlife too. I don't sell wildlife, WDFW sells wildlife, I sell my experience and professional help to hunters who want a good experience and a better chance of success. It is a choice to purchase my services, it's not required. I felt like saying a bit more but I hope I got my point across so I will leave it at this.Yes, it did sound very vicous....well you seem to think, or maybe I didnt write it well enough,those are my thoughts at what the other side is thinking...all my posts on here have been diredcted at what is used for fodder...as I have stated,if Im wrong please show me where...If you dont make a living on the wildlife then my post was wrong...Also I think you have the backing on everyone on this site,just how its done is the only debate I see here
Quote from: rasbo on September 14, 2010, 10:39:41 AMNot to sound vicious but,you and many others make a living on the killing of game animals for sport,and you bring in many outta state hunters to kill the game at a high price.Much like bringing the wolves from somewhere else that kills the states animals...Is that not what the other side has for fodder to the argument.I cant make it work in my mind where you have a dog in the fight other than for monetary pourposes..isn't it how the masses that we need to sway might see it.WHAT - This is the kind of comment that really does a lot to unite hunters. I spend a good deal of my time trying to do what is best for wildllife, that comment is just dispicable and disgusting. I will refrain from really speaking my mind, but maybe you will get the idea anyway. Quite frankly I get tired of this cheap shot idiotic stupid mentality. I donate more hunts to good causes to support wildlife than you even know, in addition to the deals and hunts I have offered to this forum. Yes you hit a nerve.....FYI - Most of my clients are resident hunters who work average jobs here in Washington. They save up all year so they can go on a good hunt. Probably 1/3 of my hunters go on meat hunts with no trophies involved. What really pi$$es me off is half the people with this attitude pay guides to hunt out of state or they hire fishing guides right here in Washington or buy books to get info on where to hunt. Talk about a bunch of double standard hypocrits. If you have never paid a guide for hunting or fishing help or bought books on how to improve your hunting in Washington or elsewhere, then I guess you can complain about me fairly, but if you ever have, you are just a hypocrit. So the next time someone is thinking this, I suggest you look in the mirror before you open your mouth. Furthermore, WDFW empolyees are all making a living off wildlife too. I don't sell wildlife, WDFW sells wildlife, I sell my experience and professional help to hunters who want a good experience and a better chance of success. It is a choice to purchase my services, it's not required. I felt like saying a bit more but I hope I got my point across so I will leave it at this.Yes, it did sound very vicous....
Not to sound vicious but,you and many others make a living on the killing of game animals for sport,and you bring in many outta state hunters to kill the game at a high price.Much like bringing the wolves from somewhere else that kills the states animals...Is that not what the other side has for fodder to the argument.I cant make it work in my mind where you have a dog in the fight other than for monetary pourposes..isn't it how the masses that we need to sway might see it.
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Bearpaw, I read the info on the links you provided. There is nothing there that answers the question I have asked. I am not asking about the wolves that were introduced into Yellowstone which came from the Mackenzie Valley of Alberta. They are also known as the Canadian Timber Wolf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mackenzie_Valley_WolfI am not trying to change your mind and I am not trying to twist your words. There is nothing to suggest that the wolves in WA were introduced. The packs in the NE and Methow more than likely originated in British Columbia and did not travel here over thousands of miles. My mind just wonders why, if the native wolves to the lower 48 (especially WA) was so much less threatening to live stock and game herds, they were wiped out. In my opinion they weren't any less threatening and were basically the same wolf. That or the lower 48 had both the larger sub species and the several other regional smaller sub species which at the time there was no distinction and all wolves were considered the same.I am trying to be as open minded as possible about wolves. I read info from both sides and try to sort through the extremist views coming from both sides. I voted for sound management in this poll because to me that means using what ever means possible to deal with wolves. I like others don't feel that hunting alone is an effective management tool for wolves. Like I have said several times I do believe there is room in our wild lands for wolves. By no stretch of the imagination does that mean I think we need wolf numbers like they are in other states. You ask me where my proof is. I am not trying to prove anything. I am not the one on here telling people they need to pull there heads out and insulting them when they don't share my views. I have said I could post just as much pro wolf propaganda as you do anti. That doesn't mean I believe everything I read on the pro wolf side either but it is out there.
Lewis and Clark nearly starved to death in the Rocky Mountains because game numbers were so low.But wolves were wiped out because they all killed livestock, you know that so why do you argue?
BP, we will just have to disagree on the issue. I read the info you provided and saw nothing that suggested that the larger sub species known as the Canadian Timber wolf was not inhabiting the lower 48. If you read my last post you see what my opinion is on this particular part of the conversation is. In reality it has nothing to do with what is going on now. Wolves are here and they need to be dealt with. Just how they are dealt with is where our opinions differ. I don't really follow your statement about Lewis and Clark...Quote from: bearpaw on September 15, 2010, 09:29:12 AMLewis and Clark nearly starved to death in the Rocky Mountains because game numbers were so low.But wolves were wiped out because they all killed livestock, you know that so why do you argue?I'm not sure what you are getting at there?