good day 4 the tribe

[6x6rack]

I just hate to see such hatred towards Tribal hunters.

Then tell them to quit decimating the herds, making it impossible for the State game managers to manage Bull/cow ratios. Tell them to quit killing the bulls off the feeding stations. Tell them to take a cow to feed their family and after the tribe has taken 20 cows they get one bull for the ceremony. Tell them to have hunter saftey classes which includes ethics regarding public perception and sportsmanship. Tell them to use the same weapons we use during the same seasons, they are set for a reason. There are abuses everywhere and non tribal poachers are (and should be) severely punished if they are caught. You can't have a rogue segment out there killing at will and expect healthy herds...look what the wolves have done in Idaho, yet there are people who insist wolves are not a problem and jump to their defense without thought that there might have been a reason ranchers eradicated them 100 years ago...when the game was gone (and it will be again unless they reinstate the wolf season) they went after livestock. I am not an Indian hater, or a wolf hater, but I hate that the people who are paying to support and manage the system through license purchases and tags get screwed because Indians and wolves can't or wont manage themselves. You want the average sportsman to like the Tribe, then play by the same rules....fine you dont have to buy a tag or whatever...but you do have to accurately account for your kills so the game department can manage the herds and have the authority to tell you you cant fill the bed of your pick-up with bulls this year because you killed way to many last year. Of course that will never happen because things are perfect for the Tribe right now. We pay to manage and maintain the resource, they get to kill whatever they want whenever they want with absolutly no accountability and if there aren't enough left over the people paying the tab are subject to even tighter restrictions. The tribe wants respect...then step up and be part of the solution to maintaining healthy herds and bull/cow ratios. Everyone will welcome them with open arms.

[Alan K]

I hate natives, and frankly it's just because this is all I see of them.  I never hear or see any of them promoting responsible management of game, just senseless overkill. 

That said, all we're doing is. . . . 

Nothing will change. I've given up and just accepted it.  At least on the west side the bulls have half a chance because of the terrain and cover that the lazy pukes can't get them all from the road.

[Team Baze]

How do you know if it just wasn't a sportsmen with a special permit? A buddy of mine just shot a hog archery bull in Manashtas ridge with a special permit, there are special hunts going on.

[270Shooter]

How do you know if it just wasn't a sportsmen with a special permit? A buddy of mine just shot a hog archery bull in Manashtas ridge with a special permit, there are special hunts going on.

possible, but extremely unlikely

[woodswalker]

I just hate to see such hatred towards Tribal hunters. 

Just be sure to know, other Tribes can and are different with their seasons and bag limits.  Not only that but some are reall and true sportsman.  You can say what you want and make your own conclusions from other stories you hear from a friend of a friends cousin...

I know some of you have known at one time or another a Tribal member... and please feed of the impression that they left and not what the bad apples leave.

Motcha, I do not relate second/third/more hand data... I'm an engineer for a living, we work with verifiable facts and data. the things I've seen, I have SEEN with my own eyes.  The abuses I have tried to document and present as factual cases.  See my previous post on Page 5 of this near the bottom. 

You say dont feed off the impression of the bad apples....so WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO THINK when we KNOW that certain elements are WAY off the straight and narrow.  GO to the Yakima Sportsmans show...See how many REALLY HUGE trophy racks have ONE name on them.  Racks that I will NEVER have a chance to shoot in those areas as they are SPIKE ONLY(onless you DRAW a branch tag....NOT just drive up and shoot one that looks good).  Jealous...yeah a bit...UNHAPPY that the herds are being trodden underfoot with out regard for the viability of the herd as whole.

I previously pointed out as others have done, that the game managers cannot MANAGE THE GAME with out facts and data and with out everyone playing to similar rules.

THAT is the kind of thing that gets us  and hot under the collar.  If the Tribes REALLY CARED about the game and the treaties and the PERCEPTION, they would rein in the abusers....we certainly dont see that happening.

[jstone]

I didn't think that i would ever respond to this. I have hunted the clockum and i wish it wasn't #@%!#-up. The government wont do any thing about it,, It is B.S. Someone in the Gov. THAT WE ELECT. needs to have some BALLS. I don't hunt there any more and i miss it. Every year i think about hunting there again. The tribes need to think about what other tribes do to make money like NEW MEXICO or ARIZONA. BIG BULLS = Money for guides. You have something the people want they will pay money, I now they hunt all over but the Yakima tribe could do good if there resource was worth it. Just rambling on.y family wasn't her in that time, time has to change. its not my fault they or anybody else don't get off there ass and make a good honest living!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fair-chase]

The problem here is entitlements. The greatest injustice ever done to the tribes was to enact the welfare state that now exists there. Name the last great invention to come out of a tribe. What have they contributed in the past 100 years. Some have given service in the armed forces and I commend those, but as a whole the tribes have done nothing for the betterment of there people or there country. The tribes are not completely to blame though. We have allowed this welfare state to exist for far to long. Over time recieving gov money becomes expected. It doesn't matter what race you are if your family has been recieving something for nothing for generations you will expect to keep recieving and loose all ambition to achive. Think of what the tribes would look like today if we had given them there land and no other benefits. They would have quickly assimalated into society and those that chose to stay on the res would have used the land to build wealth. I.E. Farming, ranching, and game manegement for outfitters. When I drive through the Yakima res today it is desolate. There is a clear distinct line when you enter the res where quality land management stops. This is NOT because the land is Barron, but because no one has the gumption to do the work and develop it into profitable land. If you want members of the tribe to care about our resources the culture as a whole has to change. Well I have went on long enough. Kick the tribes off welfare and in 20 years you will have something to be proud of. I belive there are many good and decent people of the tribes, but until the group as a whole wants to advance and compete WITH OUT MY TAXES. I say go to hell.

[jstone]

The problem is with all people. They get well fare and no ambition to make themselves better. they rely on the rest of use to BABY them I tell my kids... YOU GET OUT OF LIFE WHAT YOU PUT IN IT.. That is my favorite saying. I am the only one out of 6 that graduated high school, my Great MOM wouldn't go on Welfare she worked her Ass off. I worked my ass off to get to where i am.. Sorry i don't feel sorry for those who WONT TRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[h2ofowlr]

The N.A. "game shooters" are just trying to starve out the wolves.  Common.   

[motcha]

Well its sad to hear what the Yakama Tribe has become.  What imprints their examples leave on others. 

You see its guys like you whom I hopr to never run into when I am exercising my Tribal rights.

But you know what I think I have... or a relative there of.  I have had pistols/rifles shot over our camp, slang words yelled to us... threatened .. horns honked when we were hunting.  4-wheelers push us off the trail.  etc etc etc. I can go on. 

I will just sit back and read the ignorance and false accusations of this thread.  Please keep it here.  I am learning a lot.  I will try not to reply anymore.  Carry on... thanks for your time

[Wahunter555]

Well I have to Agree with most of you here. I'm half Indian and you know what I don't hunt like the tribes. I could if i wanted to. but as alot of people have said it's about conservation and the health of the herds.My hunting Buddy's and I  all could hunt by the tribe rules but we buy hunting license's put in for the Draw tags  and look for poachers just like the rest of the good hunting washington hunters. It makes me feel bad and makes all Indian tribes look bad when you see the decimation that they are doing to the herds and the hunting for everyone else in the state. I believe that everyone should go by the same rules. They say the White man killed all the buffalo and Big Game in America. Well look at what they are doing Now.They are the ones causing the damage to the Herds  and the wildlife population not only to Big Game, Fishing also. I'm sorry to say I don't think  Our ancestors  strung nets across the rivers so no fish can go to spawn. I think they were alot smarter than that. They only took what they needed and left the rest to nature. that's my 
-Scott-

[Practical Approach]

It sounds like everyone on this forum only hunts eastern Washington?   I happen to know that on the westside the tribes and state work close together.  They coordinate research and harvest strategies.  I believe that during the state shortfalls for the last 10 democratic years that the tribes have actually taken over much of the surveys and radio marking or elk.  When you bash tribes you can't paint with that wide of a brush.  If that were the case everyone on this website is a poacher cause I saw one once. 

[boneaddict]

I paint with the widest brush of all.   I think we should be treated as one, no special treatment equals no prejudice.  I am a citizen of the United States.  If you are then you should be treated like another citizen.  Same taxes, same rules.   If you are not a citizen, then GET OUT, your visit is over.

[300magman]

Boneaddict--- said it all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

follow our rules or you can get the hell out.

[Practical Approach]

I paint with the widest brush of all.   I think we should be treated as one, no special treatment equals no prejudice.  I am a citizen of the United States.  If you are then you should be treated like another citizen.  Same taxes, same rules.   If you are not a citizen, then GET OUT, your visit is over.

When did we all start paying the same taxes?  Pretty sure it is based on income.  Wait thats not fair   Yes, it would be great if everyone was treated the same, realistic probably not.