Long range rifle scopes

[MichaelJ]

Nice!  Here's a group I shot yesterday and it even included my coldbore shot as well!     Shot on the far left was after adjusting and was the start of another group... 



Mike

[MtnMuley]

Huskemaw.  Once you put in the work learning how to shoot LR, this scope will hang with any of them.  855 yd pass though last week on a bull, left him in his tracks.  If I thought there was a better LR system out there for hunting purposes, I'd buy it.

[MichaelJ]

Huskemaw.  Once you put in the work learning how to shoot LR, this scope will hang with any of them.  855 yd pass though last week on a bull, left him in his tracks.  If I thought there was a better LR system out there for hunting purposes, I'd buy it.

They are good scopes, I've never used one but from what I understand you 'zero' you're turrets at each yardage such as 100, 200, 300, 400...etc???  And unless you're able to zero your turrets with these scopes at the same elevation and environmental conditions as what you'll be shooting your game at, then you're POI can be drastically different at longer ranges...  especially without high BC bullets.  Please correct if i'm wrong...

Mike

[MtnMuley]

Not true.  That's what makes the Huskemaw system the best in my opinion MichaelJ.  Different turrets for different elevations, temperatures, and windages.  Once you're at your zero, you take off the turret and swap it for another turret for different conditions, and you're ready to rock.  Once you get your gun completely dialed in, you send them the info the they built the turrets for you.  However, I perfer to leave the MOA turret on the gun, and make hundreds of cheat sheets for all the elevations I hunt.  Windage is built in with hashmarks.  They are seem very precise with their turrets.  I have several friends that weren't happy sending their gun off to them to do the work though.  We did everything ourselves and have several hundred hours into them.  I also have an angle co-sign indicator on my rail to determine the shot angle.  That info is also on my cheat sheets with each elevation and temperature.  I use high BC bullets, so I've never seen a problem with down range accuracy. 

[rbros]

I wasn't impressed to much with the Huskema scopes.  The first one they sent me wouldn't track correctly, the second to fix the first one had floating in the scope that came and went, sent it back.  They sent one to me for evaluation purposes.

If you are going to put the time into verifying drop data, then the Nightforce scopes with a NP-R1 reticle are hard to beat.  They give you MOA windage and elevation.  You dial for a shot, if its off for whatever reason, the marks on the reticle allow a quick followup.  They are what I generally put on rifle packages, and run on all of my personal rifles ....hunting and competition.  They are dependable and rock solid.  A little heavier than I would like, but the reliability is worth the little extra weight. 

My main hunting rifle has been all over the Western states, up mountains, beat around on quads and trucks, dropped, packed in backpacks, scope maxed out for elevation a couple times, and still hasn't moved zero in 4 years of using it.  Groups like this:

 

[jjhunter]

+1

I shoot NF for consistency (tracking) and reliability (literally, bullet proof) - In the long range game, this is paramount.

I also shoot the NP-R1 reticle - best long range hunting reticle out there.   

[longrange7mm]

Huskemaw.  Once you put in the work learning how to shoot LR, this scope will hang with any of them.  855 yd pass though last week on a bull, left him in his tracks.  If I thought there was a better LR system out there for hunting purposes, I'd buy it.

+1 ive shot alot of Huskemaws and have yet to have a problem with them, and for a newbie that is just getting into it the scope is perfect 

[MichaelJ]

Not true.  That's what makes the Huskemaw system the best in my opinion MichaelJ.  Different turrets for different elevations, temperatures, and windages.  Once you're at your zero, you take off the turret and swap it for another turret for different conditions, and you're ready to rock.  Once you get your gun completely dialed in, you send them the info the they built the turrets for you.  However, I perfer to leave the MOA turret on the gun, and make hundreds of cheat sheets for all the elevations I hunt.  Windage is built in with hashmarks.  They are seem very precise with their turrets.  I have several friends that weren't happy sending their gun off to them to do the work though.  We did everything ourselves and have several hundred hours into them.  I also have an angle co-sign indicator on my rail to determine the shot angle.  That info is also on my cheat sheets with each elevation and temperature.  I use high BC bullets, so I've never seen a problem with down range accuracy. 

I stand corrected then...
As far as the NP-R1reticle goes on the nightforce they look like this:


The lines are either MOA or MIL based so if you are in the field and see an animal at say 700 yds with no wind,instead of dialing up your turrets for say 4 mils or 14.4 MOA you would just use the reticle hash mark that represents 14.5 MOA or 4 MILS.  A lot of guys will dial for elevation and use their reticle for windage adjustments...

[MichaelJ]

BTW rbros that is a WICKED 300 yd group!  Nice shooting! 

Mike

[MtnMuley]

Thanks for the info MichaelJ.  That looks like a good system, but too busy for me.  Personally, I like one crosshair.  I have several Leupold varmint hunter and Boone and Crocket reticle scopes that I had planned on working with, but I could never get used to the fixed lines.  I've been out of the loop on LR scopes for a while now, but need to get back to searching througher some of the newer NF stuff. 

[jjhunter]

Don't you use a fixed reticle with many lines on it jj?  I thought a while back you said you didn't use a turret.

I use a turret if I have time; however, a true 1 MOA elevation reticle allows very quick and accurate shot placement at extended ranges.

[Wile E. Hunter]

I have a 8.5X25X50 Leupold long range target on my 700 Sendero in .25-06. with the Varmint reticle. VERY PLEASED.

[MtnMuley]

Don't you use a fixed reticle with many lines on it jj?  I thought a while back you said you didn't use a turret.

I use a turret if I have time; however, a true 1 MOA elevation reticle allows very quick and accurate shot placement at extended ranges.

Now I'm confused.  Along with the reticle you use, it also has a turret for adjusting that reticle?

[MichaelJ]

Now I'm confused.  Along with the reticle you use, it also has a turret for adjusting that reticle?

You are correct.  Check out this scope I have on order, its a Vortex Viper PST with thier Mil based reticle, aswell as .1mil click turrets.  As JJ said if you have time you dial in your elevation on your turret, or you can just use the reticle hash marks for a holdover (same thing as with the Nightforce scopes).  If there is a wind blowing you most likely would dial the elevation in your turret, then use the left or right side of the reticle for your wind correction as using the reticle for holding elevation as well as wind would be extremely difficult as you would have to 'guess' where the appropriate windage and elevation reticle lines cross in your scope picture.  Hope that makes sense...

http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/vortex-viper-pst-6-24x50-ffp-riflescope-with-ebr-1-mrad-reticle

If you really want to learn about tactical scopes and what not, see here:
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=378812#Post378812

Mike

[CAMPMEAT]

A friend of mine works for Gunwerks ? ( think that's how you spell it ) He uses the Huskemaw. He loves it. He shoots 1,000 rounds per
week sightin' them in.