THEY'RE AT IT AGAIN

[Michelle_Nelson]

I can understand that.   

[shedcrazy]

 

[colockumelk]

You are right Coastal 100%. That is the problem. The governmg body turns a blind eye. Both the Yakamas and the state. People are people. If they can get away with something they'll do it. Which is why I don't blame the people. I blame the system that allows the waste and abuse. And its not just the Yakamas Nation. Our state is just at guilty for not curbing it as the Yakamas are.

As far as the sheep and goats go. Its a federally regulated animal. They have to get drawn just like us. They just get drawn more often because there is a much smaller tribal pool to draw from than the state.  I have no issue with this.

[Little Dave]

I was just curious if it is best to be honest or to just except the fact that I'll be met with resentment and try to avoid confrontation at all cost.

Resentment is a price to pay for inequity.  It's kind of how this country got started in the first place.

Better alignment between state and tribal regulations and quotas would help.  Years from now when our country falls apart over internal issues of inequity (our city boycotts your state, that state gets special tax exemptions) and new nations are formed from a broken, bankrupt union, the treaties and interpretations of the treaties will no longer be in effect.  Very likely, there will be no special recognition at all from that point on.  If asked, I would forsake the cultural heritage if that is what it would take to curb further exploitation of the generous special rights.  The tribes of the West Coast would become footnotes in history like the Etruscans of Italy.

It's just a hypothetical of course.  My advice is to be inconspicuous as possible.

[billythekidrock]

One resource...One set of rules.

[h20hunter]

" I heard" is where some of the issue start. I agree with one of the earlier posts says thanks to coastal for his info, I've learned a bit more as well. I also agree that the majority of the tribal members are not the "problem". The problem I speak of is setting a bad example. There will alwasy be problem people in any demogrpahic wheter it be age, race, gender, or whatever. Rates for teen drivers are higher because there are always going to be a few dumb**s young guys that total mom and dads car. There will always be the one guy in the bar that wants to get drunk and look for a fight. There will always be guy with the spotlight in his truck and a phd on the wall. Just like there will always be a tribal member that takes advantage of his allowences his people have given. Just like everywhere else it is up to his/her social peers to educate and change the behaviour for the better good of the whole. Yes, the state and tribes could work better together......but get this: So could sport hunters and tribal hunters. Anger and confrontation are never going to work for either group.

I imagine most people that are regulars on the forum saw "Tribal Toad" in the deer section. It was a masher muley. The fella holding it for the camera was guiding with an outfitter I went with for my fathers mule deer hunt this year. I can tell you that I leaned a lot about what he believes and "how they hunt". He told me about some of the deer and regions they have access to. Mule deer that die of old age and never see a hunter. Monster deer and massive elk. He also told us about their customs and thought that goes into each kill. Listening to him talk I could see that he was very passionate. I would challenge anyone that has a problem with the tribes to disagree with the things he said. He told us about when a boy brings home his first animal and becomes a man. About how he would take the animal and pass it out to the tribe, keeping nothing for himself. He told us about the care and thought that goes into the kill and the respect for the animal after the kill. He was not taking pictures and slapping hands. He was looking after the soul of the animal and giving thanks. You may think that he could have been putting on a bit of a show for the "whiteys" in camp but listening and watching this was no sideshow for our benefit. He lived this. These were his ways and that of his people.

We could all benefit from some of the examples the majority of the tribes represent. We could also do without the example the minority (and most often the most visible) put forth.

The same could be said for non-tribal hunters.

What good will come from standing on the pavement getting in somebodys face and yelling. By doing so in my opinion you are no better than the so called #1 violater.

[billythekidrock]

" I heard" is where some of the issue start.

I agree.
That is only baseless fuel for the fire.

We could all benefit from some of the examples the majority of the tribes represent. We could also do without the example the minority (and most often the most visible) put forth.

But what if the majority of the examples in someones experience are negative?
 Yes, I get that "all colors" have some negative people, but what if the amount of negatives (when it comes to wastage) is predominantly tribal?
Having lived, hunted (and family members) near and with tribal members from multiple tribes, I have seen both positive and negative actions. The problem is that most of them are negative when it comes to waste. I am not talking about hunting outside of a F&W season.  Everything from only taking hindquarters, to selling meat in bar parking lots to hanging animals rotting on front porches and in garages.

[boneaddict]

The people themselves seem quite nice.  I just ran into a whole truckload and they were friendly as I was.  As mentioned, its the system.  They may have been hunting for family, they may have been commercial hunters.  I always enjoy the irony of it all.  Commercial hunting is what killed the buffalo........ and tribal hunters all with guns while whiteman are hunting with bows.  


as for I heard.....I see all the time

[boneaddict]

Colvilles have some limit and I never see them doing it for commercial reasons.  DIFFERENT story for the Yakamas

[h20hunter]

I think that the problem with "the majority of examples are all bad" is that I don't see it because of my location. Simply a difference of opinion based on my location and experience. Hell, the most interaction I get with tribes is going to boom city or the casino for some reason or another. Typically I would say that because the worst examples, like the guy selling meat in the bar parking lot, are the most visible and therefore the most infuriating. Your location gives you a much different perspective than mine.

Good points, thanks for sharing.

[logger]

It's a well known fact that you can go to wapato and buy an elk, whole, half , cut and wrapped. whatever suits you can be purchased.