Cougar hunting by Mulehunter

[Austrian Hunter]

I bet we don't hear again from LRP

[Houndhunter]

I bet we don't hear again from LRP

no i dont think so

i know i wasnt there and can only go off what i read here, but it sounds like they are "personally" attached to the cat and dont want it to be killed by anybody. otherwise i cant understand why a real biologist wouldnt want mulehunter to kill it, or the bio's dog handlers

[Hornseeker]

OK Fred, some of us biologists are working for you...please dont generalize too broadly...  

LRP, I think there are a few legitimate questions that need answers. One... is the Dept. supposed to be out collaring during an open season?

Two... was mule hunter pressured to not turn loose on this track, even though he was the one WITH dogs, on the track as opposed to a couple guys on sleds, on the track?

Three... did a game warden indeed discourage the biologist from hunting the area?

Just curious. Sounds a little fishy to me. With Mule Hunters communication challenges (no offense at ALL meant Mule) I can see how some things may have been misinterpreted, but there seems to be overwhelming evidence on HIS side of the story...

[mulehunter]

Mulehunter, that's a great story.  But, someone asked for the other side of the story.  Here it is.  First, there were not 5 biologist, only one, the others as you know were houndsmen like Mulehunter, volunteers, and not paid. So, only 1 paid employee.  Second, Mulehunter did turn his dogs out on that cougar, and the biologist, and volunteer left.  He could have pursued that cat but didn't.  I know, we all get worked up when we hear these things, but lets remain calm do the right things, not hurt our selves.  Mulehunter had a great experience in Gods country and knows that.  Only about 5% of the hunters in this state will ever experience that.  Treasure those times.  And remember, that biologist is working for you, so yes you need to comment on what the State does.  But, hostility will not get you anywhere.  His research does determine those quota's.  This is the first time I have been to this site, saw the post, knew I had to comment, registered, made my comment, and that's the truth.  Shoot straight my friends, and yes there is two sides to a story.  My God be with you and take care of you in the field.
LRP

Yes I didn't know one guy didnt work for wdfw but he drove govt rig, wear badge and wdfw coat and radio. Yes he told me to go other canyon and so he can collared cat. I got my stomach on fire and pull hounds out on loose. He chase to us yell all insulting and cussing. And called on radio for back up and we afraid if we did wrong so I went up catch my hounds and left. Because I don't know what would happen to me if I did wrong or right. So I left. Later gamedept talked to us about it. And I have right to turn loose. T was too late. But next day u see five danm rigs. Might do somehing bad to me and I afraid to get more trouble.

One thing I am pissed that he told me to go somewhere else. I don't want ur people to say such thug to anybody as permtte.

One  thing I don't appercate ur people cussing on our face and wouldn't welcome me hunting

I don't want biologlist dart cats and it wont be good to eat.

Why there is five rigs marched muscle next morning.

Mulehunter.

[Machias]

OK Fred, some of us biologists are working for you...please dont generalize too broadly...  

I'm not lumping them all in one basket, just the dozen or so I've have had dealings with here in WA.  So far I've only met about 12-15 and none of them are working for ME or sportsmen in this state.        

P.S.  I don't want to hi-jack this thread away from mulehunter's cat escapades so I'd be more than happy to chat about this on another thread, but I'll leave this one to chasing cats by mulehunter.  Sorry Scott.

[high country]

do voulenteers get to drive the wdfw trucks? the pic shows at least 2 trucks from wdfw.

[DOUBLELUNG]

And PLEASE the bios are working for us, give me a break.  You mean like the bios who planted lynx fur and have lied to us over and over through the years, is that what your referring to when you say they are working for us?

Statements like that make me glad I'm not a state wildlife bio anymore.  It gets old getting kicked in the teeth and called a liar by the people one works for, and can't deliver everything they want within a liberal democratic government.  Being a fisheries or game biologist can be great work, but working within Washington state government is a formula for frustration.

There are a lot of VERY good biologists working for WDFW, who are VERY avid sportsmen, and who VIGOROUSLY advocate for the interests of sportsmen and women.  There are also some bios who aren't sportsmen, but do their jobs well.  And yes, there are also some unethical types pursuing their own agendas.  The biologist in charge of the cougar studies is one of the best advocates the houndsmen have within WDFW, and is an avid sportsman.   

I wasn't there, so I shouldn't comment on the incident that occurred.  I am open-minded to the reality that there are at least three to four versions of what happened, I'm not sure if there were 3 or 4 people total. 

As for the criticism of collaring/marking during an open season in general - careful what you wish for.  The way to get around that is to close hunting or fishing in an area where marking is occuring.  As an example, if fisherment wanted to protest having to release ad-clipped steelhead in the upper Columbia that have holes punched in their tails - the marking would not stop, the season would be closed or retention prohibited.

[Machias]

And PLEASE the bios are working for us, give me a break.  You mean like the bios who planted lynx fur and have lied to us over and over through the years, is that what your referring to when you say they are working for us?

Statements like that make me glad I'm not a state wildlife bio anymore.  It gets old getting kicked in the teeth and called a liar by the people one works for, and can't deliver everything they want within a liberal democratic government.  Being a fisheries or game biologist can be great work, but working within Washington state government is a formula for frustration.

Look gentleman, I was a cop for 20 years, whenever some bashed a cop I did not take it as a personal attack.  I did not say every bio in the state is bad.  However after having gone to lots of the three year meetings and seeing things like what happened to Scott and seeing how they are managing lions in this state, how they did NOT support trappers, how they made yote hunting illegal based on some BS personal agenda and not scientific reasons then yes I have to say PLEASE when someone says the bios of this fricken state are working FOR the sportsmen.  Come on!

[Machias]

As for the criticism of collaring/marking during an open season in general - careful what you wish for.  The way to get around that is to close hunting or fishing in an area where marking is occuring.  As an example, if fisherment wanted to protest having to release ad-clipped steelhead in the upper Columbia that have holes punched in their tails - the marking would not stop, the season would be closed or retention prohibited.

Yes as sportsmen of this state we should all just be thankful the WDFW allows us to even venture into the woods and onto the waterways.  We should just shut the hell up and be thankful and no matter what they do we should thank them and go quietly away and allow them to do their most important work so as not to anger them lest we be on the receiving end of their fury.

[gaddy]

ahh, sarcasim. i was worried about that last post. seems we the sportsmen have become the pray that needs to be managed

[Houndhunter]

Yes as sportsmen of this state we should all just be thankful the WDFW allows us to even venture into the woods and onto the waterways.  We should just shut the hell up and be thankful and no matter what they do we should thank them and go quietly away and allow them to do their most important work so as not to anger them lest we be on the receiving end of their fury.

[Machias]

I'm sorry fellas, got my panties in a twist, I apologize to those offended.  I am using too broad of a brush when painting a picture and that is wrong, sorry.

[DOUBLELUNG]

I'm sorry fellas, got my panties in a twist, I apologize to those offended.  I am using too broad of a brush when painting a picture and that is wrong, sorry.

No worries.  Mine were twisted a bit too.  Usually my skin is plenty thick, just feeling a little delicate today!

[Austrian Hunter]

I hope Mulehunter comes back on here with a big a$$ Tom!!! 

[gaddy]

ive been told that thongs dont twist or bunch up as bad ?? just funnin