Winston Creek Hunting Incident 12-3-2010

[ICEMAN]

 

[gasman]

 


I think this thread is done 

[elksnout]

With all the crap posted on here about the Winston unit I do not understand why anyone bothers to hunt there. Might be just me, but ain't no elk worth all that crap. Geez guys......

[billythekidrock]

Well, I live up Winston Creek.  Here is my 

This particular year I have picked up more TRASH in the hills behind my house (which butts up to timberlands), no roads or trails, just cross country than any time since I've lived here.  This is just what I've been able to run across when hiking/hunting in the woods, and I bet it isn't 10% of what is there, I've picked up nearly a full garbage bag of candy wrappers, pop cans, sandwhich bags, etc.   This is just what hunters decide to throw down after they've sat down and had a snack and didn't have the decency to put it back in their pack or pockets.  A lot of the pop cans are stuck on limbs or brush as I guess it looks cute to sissy (insert much nastier word to understand my anger) hunters.

As far as I'm concerned if the trash tossing doesn't stop you can all stay home.

Or go somewhere else.  That'll solve all the problems brought up as far as I'm concerned.

44

I doubt much of it was hunters. More likely brush pickers. They like to use bottles and cans like we use surveyors ribbon.

[gasman]

With all the crap posted on here about the Winston unit I do not understand why anyone bothers to hunt there. Might be just me, but ain't no elk worth all that crap. Geez guys......

Now we know why it's F"ed up 

[bobcat]

With all the crap posted on here about the Winston unit I do not understand why anyone bothers to hunt there. Might be just me, but ain't no elk worth all that crap. Geez guys......

Now we know why it's F"ed up 

Why is it

[gasman]

With all the crap posted on here about the Winston unit I do not understand why anyone bothers to hunt there. Might be just me, but ain't no elk worth all that crap. Geez guys......

Now we know why it's F"ed up 

Why is it

Lack of respect for others hunters, there hunt, there property, the "I was right you are wrong", threatening others, confronting others with intent to ruen there hunt, blocking roads so others are not allowed to hunt cause you were there first. 

Did I miss any thing 

[bobcat]

Oh I see. Honestly I really don't believe it's all that bad out there. Other than the fact that there ARE too many hunters for the number of elk available to hunt. But going to permit only would solve that problem.

I didn't see anybody totally blocking roads where I was hunting. What I did see was vehicles parked back a ways from the end of spur roads that ended on landings in clearcuts. Normally the vehicle would be parked at least halfway off the road, so that if a person really wanted to get around, you could. And I see nothing wrong with that. These are roads that would only go another 1/4 mile or so. There's no point in driving right out on top of the elk. This was an area where there really isn't anywhere you can walk without walking on a road. So it's not like you can park somewhere and walk two miles to get away from the roads and all the other hunters. The roads were everywhere, but so were the elk.

[remington300mag]

Hey ICE.....I am still going to block you next year!!! Maybe just to see the look on your face!!! LOL

[ELKHOG]

So I guess it's time for the old man to reply. . . I've read all the threads and have to give my 2 bits.  I raised my sons to obey the rules and respect others.  We are proud sportsmen and when someone is hunting on a road we typically back out and let them have the hunt but when people disobey the rules and go behind closed signs that say "active logging, no entrance, no motorized access" and many others have sat and waited for permission to enter only to find that others have gone ahead and entered the area, you do get discouraged.  

Someone commented that you should get there early - there was no "early" because this happened at 4:00 p.m. in the day - the roads were closed and we waited for "wood security" to open the roads.  That was the most horrible sound to hear on a radio that someone was taking aim at your son - and all for a hunt that no one should have been in on at that time.  We were the first ones in - only to find out that these guys had already been in there for more than 2 hours prior.  

And further more - it's not like they blocked a small road - it was a "major road" with many turn outs on it that did eventually dead end.  When did it become okay to block a road - any road?  And we know the road systems up there, we've hunted up there for more than 30+ years - our preference is to have the gates locked so that we can walk or bike in but that's out of our control and only up to Weyerhauser - we also heard that many gates were torn out and that only comes back to hurt everyone.  If everybody would just abide by the rules we may get to continue to hunt up there but it's people like this that hurts the honest hunter.  We knew on that day how far we could drive in without spooking the elk - obviously these guys didn't know anything about their surroundings and just took it upon themselves to block a road.  

It's disappointing that archery season has almost become a replica of modern rifle season with a bunch of a-holes and on this incident these were guys that never had hunted in this area before.  It's one thing to argue over something but it's entirely different when somebody draws a weapon - obviously they have no boundaries or morales - they just took it to a different level!!  

I am proud of my son for having the forethought and courage to back out of a dangerous situation that could have proven deadly - he could have easily drawn a bigger weapon on them but chose to back out and drive away, as a good sportsmen would do.  I only hope that these guys have learned an important lesson!  Our family puts up a big camp each year and now I only hope that my son hasn't become so discouraged by these jerks that he will continue to hunt with us again.

[ICEMAN]

Well said.

[Lightning_Rider]

hopefully ur son will get what he has coming!!! by that i mean a gigantic bull 

[44 Flattop]

I doubt much of it was hunters. More likely brush pickers. They like to use bottles and cans like we use surveyors ribbon.

Nope, no one is back there with the exception of me for about 275 days of the year.  90 days later when season is closed, garbage is everywhere.  Those 275 days per year find me back in the woods hiking almost every day.  3 years ago I saw a State guy doing some surveying, other than that, just me. 

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[bigtex]

I doubt much of it was hunters. More likely brush pickers. They like to use bottles and cans like we use surveyors ribbon.

Nope, no one is back there with the exception of me for about 275 days of the year.  90 days later when season is closed, garbage is everywhere.  Those 275 days per year find me back in the woods hiking almost every day.  3 years ago I saw a State guy doing some surveying, other than that, just me. 

44

I think its common for people to think it is not their user group that trash an area. Fishermen don't think fishermen trash fishing areas, hunters don't think hunters trash hunting areas. Brush pickers, partiers, and youth are often the ones who take the blunt of the blame. But in reality all user groups have their bad apples.

For example in 2007 I talked to a legendary WDFW Officer on Port Blakely land in Lewis County. Port Blakely doesn't allow fires and ATV's. This officer said he could work the entire hunting season and only enforce the no fires and ATV's and write 2-4 times the amount of tickets that he would if he was simply working hunting regulation enforcement. Do all hunters do this type of damage (litter, fires, atv's)? No, but the ones who do ruin it all for the res of us.

Oh ya, the land this officer was on, is now closed for all vehicle access because of the fire, atv, and littering issue.

[Basket Rack]

Boy this thread has amazed me at what people will do to kill an elk.  Blocking roads, verbal threats, pulling weapons on other hunters this is absolutely ridiculous.  It seems that some people will  do just about anything to get an elk, every fall I hear more and more of stories just like this, makes me glad I am not an elk that is for sure.