Winston Creek Hunting Incident 12-3-2010

[bigtex]

3) You should not have driven around him to get to the end of dead end spur

 

   Wrong... Wrong...  

I dont care how you supposedly do at the hancock farms  nobody has a right to block a road period..  I'd either push your rig off the road or if i was feeling friendly I'd just lay on my horn for about 5 minutes straight to let you know you messed up.    

So you would damage another persons property (malicious mischief) just to drive a loggin road which might not even go another 1/2 mile? Hmm lets see, if an officer was really hard pressed he could write a ticket for blocking the road $124. But your act of malicious mischief would earn you a trip to jail. And depending on the damage it is a felony.

And in all my years of law enforcement I never can remember an officer ticketing someone for blocking a small logging road. But we definitely did take people to jail who pushed those blocking vehicles so they could drive another mile if that.

[dirty24d]

     Like I said depending on the circumstance I might just lay on the horn for awhile to ensure you know your efforts have been noticed.    I've never had an issue with it, nor is there an area I need to drive into that badly, but but given the situation I'd make sure you knew what you did was wrong..   

[bobcat]

3) You should not have driven around him to get to the end of dead end spur

 

   Wrong... Wrong...  

I dont care how you supposedly do at the hancock farms  nobody has a right to block a road period..  I'd either push your rig off the road or if i was feeling friendly I'd just lay on my horn for about 5 minutes straight to let you know you messed up.    

Why would you be so desperate to drive down a road that other hunters have already walked down and are hunting already? Why not find another spot? How much luck will you really have when you're right behind somebody else? And then to drive in so the elk can hear your vehicle? What are the chances of the elk waiting around for you to shoot them? I just don't understand why some people feel it's so important to drive the last 200 yards of a dead end logging road? If the other hunters were able to walk in, you can too. But still I think you'd be better off going elsewhere and finding another spot that isn't already being hunted.  

[h20hunter]

I agree you are better off finding a new spot. I also agree you should not damage the other persons vehicle. I also agree, cause I'm an a-hole at times, that laying on the horn would make me feel good.

Still, you simply don't have the "right" to block the road. Simple.

[dirty24d]

3) You should not have driven around him to get to the end of dead end spur

 

   Wrong... Wrong...  

I dont care how you supposedly do at the hancock farms  nobody has a right to block a road period..  I'd either push your rig off the road or if i was feeling friendly I'd just lay on my horn for about 5 minutes straight to let you know you messed up.    

Why would you be so desperate to drive down a road that other hunters have already walked down and are hunting already? Why not find another spot? How much luck will you really have when you're right behind somebody else? And then to drive in so the elk can hear your vehicle? What are the chances of the elk waiting around for you to shoot them? I just don't understand why some people feel it's so important to drive the last 200 yards of a dead end logging road? If the other hunters were able to walk in, you can too. But still I think you'd be better off going elsewhere and finding another spot that isn't already being hunted.  

I agree bobcat ..    The topic just frustrates me...

[Bob33]

OP: "I knew that I need to hurry to get back there because we were running out of daylight. So I was on my way and I was going to get as close as I could and walk back in there"

[bigtex]

  Like I said depending on the circumstance I might just lay on the horn for awhile to ensure you know your efforts have been noticed.    I've never had an issue with it, nor is there an area I need to drive into that badly, but but given the situation I'd make sure you knew what you did was wrong..  

And by laying on your horn you put yourself in jeopardy of two other crimes. 1- Most counties have laws in regards to excessive noise, in which long use of vehicle horns is included. 2-Obstructing the taking of wildlife which is essentially harassing or disturbing wildlife with the intent of disrupting lawful pursuit or taking thereof or harasses, intimidates, or interferes with an individual engaged in the lawful taking of wildlife with the intent of disrupting lawful pursuit or taking thereof.

There have been cases where people layed on their horns for long period of time and were successfully prosecuted under both crimes. #2 is punishable by up to $5,000 and a year in jail.

[bigtex]

3) You should not have driven around him to get to the end of dead end spur

 

   Wrong... Wrong...  

I dont care how you supposedly do at the hancock farms  nobody has a right to block a road period..  I'd either push your rig off the road or if i was feeling friendly I'd just lay on my horn for about 5 minutes straight to let you know you messed up.    

Why would you be so desperate to drive down a road that other hunters have already walked down and are hunting already? Why not find another spot? How much luck will you really have when you're right behind somebody else? And then to drive in so the elk can hear your vehicle? What are the chances of the elk waiting around for you to shoot them? I just don't understand why some people feel it's so important to drive the last 200 yards of a dead end logging road? If the other hunters were able to walk in, you can too. But still I think you'd be better off going elsewhere and finding another spot that isn't already being hunted.  

 

[h20hunter]

Got us there Tex. Maybe I would simply bump it with my elbow as I was getting out to check the clearance before pulling a u-turn.


Still......why does somebody have the "right" to block the road.

At least everyone agrees you shouldn't draw and point your bow at anybody.

[TheHunt]

Where I hunt (one of the Hancock Farms) people block roads all the time. Nobody complains about it because kind of the accepted way on the farm. If you want a good spot then wake your ass up at 4AM and get to your spot before dark, and block the road. It's amazing how many people get to the place they want to hunt right at daylight and get pissed because somebody is already there. These roads that people block are usually near the end of a logging road in a clear cut, not some main road. Blocking logging roads to secure your hunting area is the way we do it on this Hancock Farm at least. And guess what, it's usually the guys who get to their spot 1 - 1.5 hour before daylight who get their animal, not the guy who is just coming thru the gate as the sun is rising and racing to "their spot".

BigTex... I only saw one person blocking a road on Kapowsin tree farm this year.  I turned him in of course.  If I see that I will be calling Clyde.  I would bet Clyde does not patrol the tree fram you hunt.  But you really do not have to worry too much as most people drive roads in the tree farm in the first place.

 

[bigtex]

Where I hunt (one of the Hancock Farms) people block roads all the time. Nobody complains about it because kind of the accepted way on the farm. If you want a good spot then wake your ass up at 4AM and get to your spot before dark, and block the road. It's amazing how many people get to the place they want to hunt right at daylight and get pissed because somebody is already there. These roads that people block are usually near the end of a logging road in a clear cut, not some main road. Blocking logging roads to secure your hunting area is the way we do it on this Hancock Farm at least. And guess what, it's usually the guys who get to their spot 1 - 1.5 hour before daylight who get their animal, not the guy who is just coming thru the gate as the sun is rising and racing to "their spot".

BigTex... I only saw one person blocking a road on Kapowsin tree farm this year.  I turned him in of course.  If I see that I will be calling Clyde.  I would bet Clyde does not patrol the tree fram you hunt.  But you really do not have to worry too much as most people drive roads in the tree farm in the first place

Not Kapowsin. And no Clyde does not patrol this particular farm.

[bigtex]

I wonder what someone who blocked a vehicle in on a road thus preventing a sick or injured person from obtaining help could be charged with.  Could they be prosecuted under depraved indifference?  The intent is there to restrict access.  Serious question, what is the max that an ambitious prosecutor go likely get?

I had a feeling this would come up. Well the crime the individual would most likely be charged with is trespassing. A violation of a landowners rule can be prosecuted under the trespass law. Most timber companies have regulations that state you cannot block roads. The individual would probably have a more severe sentence then someone just simply on someone elses property. I know of one case where this actually happened and this is how it was dealt with.

[rasbo]

there has to be some law on blocking access and egress on roads,just like blocking an intersection...but that's not here or there is it...common courtesy don't block roads and don't step on somebodies hunt,know the road system

[bigtex]

Some of the cases I was thinking of involved things such as people blocking easements between buildings.  It seemed fine at the time until there was a fire and the fire truck couldn't get in between the buildings (which the building code said was to allow X-number of feet between structures).  Make a long story short the fire truck couldn't get there and the hydrant was obscured.....buildings burned and people died.  Or they guy that chained his fire exit shut due to thieves sneaking in, and his employees burned.  I think there was a school shooting in which students couldn't get out because an exit was blocked to prevent truancy.

I think a big difference in the fire case you listed and a logging road incident is that there was no way a fire truck can get in there. Whereas a fire truck/ambulance could easily push/tow a vehicle blocking a logging road in order to get to a patient.

[Curly]

Why would you be so desperate to drive down a road that other hunters have already walked down and are hunting already? Why not find another spot? How much luck will you really have when you're right behind somebody else? And then to drive in so the elk can hear your vehicle? What are the chances of the elk waiting around for you to shoot them? I just don't understand why some people feel it's so important to drive the last 200 yards of a dead end logging road? If the other hunters were able to walk in, you can too. But still I think you'd be better off going elsewhere and finding another spot that isn't already being hunted.  

 

And another thing........the guys that drew the bow back at the OP apparently did not block the road anyway because the OP drove around their truck.