Good day for the Advanced Hunters.

[whiteeyes]

The Advanced Hunters are at it again in the Burg. They cornered and dropped 9 elk in there wintering range all the elk around here are in survival mood and these guys are taking advantage of them. Its very sad to see these elk being constantly chased. Rumor has it they are making jerky and selling it on the west side. They always say its for crop damage control and this last kill was in sage brush.    I know in some parts of the state this is necessary but around E`burg there taking advantage of there permits.

[Practical Approach]

It seems that a lot of animals get harvested under the guise of damage or hot spot hunts.  Typically, the number of animals harvested is regulated by how bad the landowner complains rather than the amount of damage created.  I wish people would take responsibility for their decisions when choosing to live or farm in elk and deer country.  If you don't like elk eating your crops, well fence it off.  I understand there are exceptions, but I have no sympathy for city slickers moving to the country and deciding to grow organic garlic or grapes and then getting upset when wildlife come down to the wintering areas where they built their house and farm and start destroying their crops.   

[Cougeyes]

My dad is a AHE member and has only harvested his elk on farmland.  I agree these people, my dad included chose to live in this area.  Where he lives acts as a corridor between the higher mountains and the river bottom so he constantly has elk passing through knocking over his horse fences etc....  I do disagree with the boundaries AHE members are allowed to hunt.  Hunting elk north of ellensburg in the sagebrush on their winter range should not be justifiable for AHE members to harvest.  I think they (WDFW) view those elk as the ones that often are in the fields, when the snow hits they often can't get to the forage in the field so move up to the sagebrush.  They need to do away with that boundary, they're harvesting elk that most likely never go onto private property.  And someone correct me if i'm wrong but wouldn't north of e-burg be considered the colockum? So AHE members are harvesting elk from a herd that isn't doing so well?  Maybe it's just the bulls that aren't doing well.  But i agree they shouldn't be allowed to hunt in these areas.  I've argued the season length as well, AHE members pursue elk from Aug 1 to Jan 20, think of what that pressure does to their fat reserves, do i think the AHE program should go away, no, it is useful in regards to landower damage and a way the state can get away from paying for crop and other land damage but the program boundaries and seasons should be changed 

[grundy53]

The Advanced Hunters are at it again in the Burg. They cornered and dropped 9 elk in there wintering range all the elk around here are in survival mood and these guys are taking advantage of them. Its very sad to see these elk being constantly chased. Rumor has it they are making jerky and selling it on the west side. They always say its for crop damage control and this last kill was in sage brush.   I know in some parts of the state this is necessary but around E`burg there taking advantage of there permits.

Yep. The only difference between them and the yakamas is that the advanced hunters probably killed nine elk between nine people... not one or two.they informed the state of their harvest so the state can accurately evaluate seasons and set quotas for these damage permits. They probably shot 9 cows not nine trophy bulls they probably weren't drunk and road hunting and if they break the rules they WOULD be fined.

[jstone]

You now some times i don't understand. The adv. hunters shoot the cows in the winter range. And also there are cow permits for the Malaga area, Why is there no cow hunting in the clockum for the archers. It is the same herd?? And i do agree with the comment about the farmers fencing off there prop. I grew up in wenatchee and had family orchards on wenatchee heights. Don't remember needing special hunters in there at this time of year. ??

[whiteeyes]

The Advanced Hunters are at it again in the Burg. They cornered and dropped 9 elk in there wintering range all the elk around here are in survival mood and these guys are taking advantage of them. Its very sad to see these elk being constantly chased. Rumor has it they are making jerky and selling it on the west side. They always say its for crop damage control and this last kill was in sage brush.   I know in some parts of the state this is necessary but around E`burg there taking advantage of there permits.

Yep. The only difference between them and the yakamas is that the advanced hunters probably killed nine elk between nine people... not one or two.they informed the state of their harvest so the state can accurately evaluate seasons and set quotas for these damage permits. They probably shot 9 cows not nine trophy bulls they probably weren't drunk and road hunting and if they break the rules they WOULD be fined.

Thats all they do is road hunt the whole north end of the valley, and whether there Drunk or not cant answer that. Its alot easier to corner them and chase them with 9 people I`m sure, for it gives them no escapement.

[Goldeneye]

I am looking in the regs now and am having a hard time finding this hunt.  Can someone look in there and point out which master hunter hunt this is?  You may be barking up the wrong tree on this one.  I'm not an eastside hunter, so perhaps I don't know the exact elk area number where these elk were.  From what I see at the moment.  I do not see an approved hunt close to E-burg in the area I think your referring to.

[CP]

I am looking in the regs now and am having a hard time finding this hunt.  Can someone look in there and point out which master hunter hunt this is?  You may be barking up the wrong tree on this one.  I'm not an eastside hunter, so perhaps I don't know the exact elk area number where these elk were.  From what I see at the moment.  I do not see an approved hunt close to E-burg in the area I think your referring to.

page 42 - elk area 3911

[Goldeneye]

Thanks for the clarification.

[Bob33]

Yep. The only difference between them and the yakamas is that the advanced hunters probably killed nine elk between nine people... not one or two.they informed the state of their harvest so the state can accurately evaluate seasons and set quotas for these damage permits. They probably shot 9 cows not nine trophy bulls they probably weren't drunk and road hunting and if they break the rules they WOULD be fined.

Fined and permanently removed from the program (which is now called the Master Hunter program.)

The boundaries of 3911 were reduced two years ago to remove a significant portion of the wintering range.  The boundary north of Ellensburg is the BPA power lines.

The season now ends on December 31, not January 20.

[kirkl]

Hey whiteeyes, where did they get them at. im still looking to fill my master hunter elk tag. and i dont buy the master hunters hunting them in there winter range. archery guys have till Dec. 8th to hunt elk. there already moving into there winter range then also. how come no ones up in arms over that length of season. And yes the season is till Dec. 31st.

[Cougeyes]

Alkali GMU 371 is open until Jan 20 for master hunters, but its the military installation.

[whiteeyes]

Hey whiteeyes, where did they get them at. im still looking to fill my master hunter elk tag. and i dont buy the master hunters hunting them in there winter range. archery guys have till Dec. 8th to hunt elk. there already moving into there winter range then also. how come no ones up in arms over that length of season. And yes the season is till Dec. 31st.

If your still looking to fill your tag you must not be a master hunter. lol just joking with ya..
Its winter time and there in there survival mood so there in there winter range. I dont believe there is a boarder so to speak is there?  

[kirkl]

the OP was talking north of eburg. 371 is not winter range like everyone is throwing into the conversation and also is a crap shoot out there and is also not a depredation hunt but more of a keep the animals in check hunt.

[kirkl]

Yes there is a border and a fairly small one at that. we cant just drive around in the surrounding areas of eburg and shoot cow elk. look on the WDFW website and go to the "go hunt" link and you can pull up the 3911 elk area to see the boundaries.