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Killing a denning bear? What say you?
« on: December 16, 2010, 07:27:31 AM »
Poached this from another site. I'm torn on this. I know I wouldn't do it myself, not quite sure what I think about it though.

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Hunt for 703-pound bear attracts amazement, criticism

By Dave Buchanan
Wednesday, December 15, 2010

When hunter Richard Kendall crawled into the darkness of a bear den in late November, he was prepared to face the largest black bear he had ever tracked.

What he wasn’t prepared for was the 703-pound bear waiting for him or the firestorm that erupted after he left that den.

Kendall, 55, of Craig, said he’s had years of experience hunting black bears in Colorado and after seeing the 8-inch-wide tracks left by this bear, knew he had a potential record on his hands.

“I’ve been hunting bears all my life and that’s the biggest track I’ve ever seen,” Kendall said earlier this week.

The black bear season, which begins in September and runs through the deer and elk season, was in its final weekend when Kendall tracked the bear to its den in the Danforth Hills near Wilson Creek north of Meeker.

Kendall and a friend rushed into Meeker for a license and the next morning they were at the den.

Not knowing exactly how big the as-yet unseen bear was, “I really didn’t want to go in there so I sat on the den for five hours, hoping he’d come out or maybe already was out,” Kendall said.

Finally, Kendall decided the bear was home and cautiously squeezed into the den.

“I went in about 6 feet, and I could just see the tip of his nose without a flashlight,” Kendall said. “He was growling and snapping his jaws at me.”

Kendall said that after he shined his flashlight on the bear, the bear laid back its ears.

“A buddy told me when they lay back their ears they’re usually going to charge, so I decided I better shoot while I have the chance,” said Kendall, who was carrying a .45-70 caliber lever-action rifle.

It took Kendall and several of his friends most of an hour to drag the bear out of its den and another 30 minutes to get it to Kendall’s truck.

The bear weighed 703 pounds. That is about 50 percent more than most large black bears, which usually top out at 450–500 pounds.

The bear’s skull, which is how official scorers from the Boone & Crockett Club determine record-worthy animals, measured prior to drying at 22 and 5/8 inches. The state record bear, killed in Mesa County in 2007, measured 22 and 9/16th inches.

Kendall’s bear, which stretched 9-foot, 6-inches from nose to toes, will be remeasured after a 60-day drying period.

Kendall said once the word got out about the immense bear, people stopped him on the street to congratulate him.

“People I don’t even know would stop and talk about that bear,” said Kendall, a native of Craig who teaches rifle and handgun shooting skills.

But Kendall soon discovered some reactions weren’t quite so positive.

After the Craig Daily Press ran a story on its website about the bear, most of the reader comments, nearly all of which were anonymous, were harshly critical of Kendall’s actions.

One anonymous reader said, “This article & mentality behind the hunter makes me truly sick. How is shooting a bear in a cave ‘hunting’ ... ?”

Another reader wrote, “My family has been hunting for generations in Colorado, and I can tell you that this is not sportsmanship, it is just a plain case of cowardness.”

One of the few signed letters came from James Mense (no hometown given), who wrote he was a lifelong hunter but “the idea of shooting a bear after it has entered its den to begin hibernation is repulsive to me.”

The killing “may be legal, but it is definitely not ethical,” Mense wrote.

Kendall’s actions, while a bit unusual, were legal, said Division of Wildlife spokesman Randy Hampton.

“Currently, there are no regulations prohibiting someone from crawling into a den after a hibernating bear,” Hampton said. “This is the first instance we are aware of a bear being taken in this manner.”

Hampton said no one from the Division of Wildlife, other than the local officer who checked the bear as required by regulations, has spoken to Kendall about the bear incident.

“We are aware the bear was taken and we have heard from a number of concerned people regarding the manner in which this bear was harvested,” Hampton said.

While Kendall’s actions were legal, “the idea of shooting a hibernating animal certainly raises some ethical issues,” Hampton said.

Emphasizing there now are no regulations regarding hunting a denned animal, Hampton said division officials “are discussing” possible changes to the current rules.

Kendall, for his part, is dismayed and a bit angry over the continued rain of criticism.

“I think these (critics) are just jealous of what I did,” Kendall said. “It was something that was positive at first but then you get all these e-mails and letters and stuff.”

Kendall said he wanted no more publicity about his bear.

“I’m tired of people coming up to me and saying things that aren’t true to me and my wife,” Kendall said. “People are making more of it than what it was and I’m tired of dealing with all the (stuff).”
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Re: Killing a sleeping bear? What say you?
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2010, 07:34:35 AM »
I dunno I really dont see how it's any different then shooting a spring bear... Most spring bears I've seen are oblivious to everything except gorging on anything they can find to get their strength and metabolism going again.  It wasnt sleeping based on the story this guys tells. In its den yes but sleeping no.  It's not really my cup of tea to crawl in an animals den to shoot it, but that doesnt make him a coward in my opinion.

It's not for me, i wouldnt do it but I'm not terribly up in arms about it either. Theres a signifigant amount of risk this fellow took going into that den like being mauled and eaten in a confined space.  So yeah is it ethical  ehhh  not really but to each their own i suppose..
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Re: Killing a sleeping bear? What say you?
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2010, 07:35:41 AM »
sounds to me like he used artifical light to kill big game.  Is that legal over there? 
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Re: Killing a sleeping bear? What say you?
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2010, 07:36:12 AM »
I dunno I really dont see how it's any different then shooting a spring bear... Most spring bears I've seen are oblivious to everything except gorging on anything they can find to get their strength and metabolism going again.  It wasnt sleeping based on the story this guys tells. In its den yes but sleeping no.  It's not really my cup of tea to crawl in an animals den to shoot it, but that doesnt make him a coward in my opinion.

Well for one thing a spring bear can run away. A denned up bear is trapped. The more I think about this the more I dislike it. Coward? Not quite the word I'd use. Not to many "cowards" are going to crawl into a den that has 7"-8" tracks leading to it.  :chuckle:

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Re: Killing a sleeping bear? What say you?
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2010, 07:37:18 AM »
I'm not impressed. :twocents:

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Re: Killing a sleeping bear? What say you?
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2010, 07:40:51 AM »
To each their own, Definitely not my cup of tea. Anymore it's the hunting aspect that turns my crank.
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Re: Killing a sleeping bear? What say you?
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2010, 07:41:26 AM »
a coworker of mine in alaska lost one of his friends because he poked his head in a bear hole. I have no problem with killing it in its den.....sans the light. guy is lucky to be alive. we could never pull that off here for the possibility of griz. so I guess my anser is congrats to you.....idiot.

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Re: Killing a sleeping bear? What say you?
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2010, 07:42:29 AM »
Totally not hunting in my book. No respect for said hunter what so ever.


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Re: Killing a sleeping bear? What say you?
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2010, 07:45:38 AM »
http://wildlife.state.co.us/Hunting/PlanYourHunt/ResourcesTips/Unlawful.htm
Use artificial light to hunt wildlife. (Having a firearm with cartridges in the chamber or magazine, or loaded with powder or a ball, or a strung, uncased bow while trying to project artificial light into an area where wildlife can be found is prima facie evidence of a violation.)
He should be fined and the bear taken away he told the story and had it published if its not true tough *censored*
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Re: Killing a sleeping bear? What say you?
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2010, 07:48:52 AM »
too each there own as long as no laws were broken I dont really care....and this stuff is made into a brewha and just fuels the fire in the anti's agenda and adding to the divide among hunters.....so sad really that every hunt that is not what we might do is torn apart and dissected...just say congrats to the hunter or say nothing...thats a big bear and I sure wouldnt be sticking my head in a bear den.....

if that bear had been simply snoozing in a clearcut how many here would have passed  :dunno: I sure as hell wouldnt.

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Re: Killing a sleeping bear? What say you?
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2010, 07:50:39 AM »
should have speared it!

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Re: Killing a sleeping bear? What say you?
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2010, 07:54:04 AM »
Who cares where it was killed he broke the law to do it.  If he went in without a flashlight it would have been legal, stupid but legal.  HE broke the law according colorado state
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Re: Killing a sleeping bear? What say you?
« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2010, 07:54:35 AM »
I don't have a problem with what he did. Sounds like an exciting hunt, and took a lot of skill in tracking that bear to its den. It's just a bear. Not like there's a shortage of them, and not only that, but it was a huge bear, and probably very old, and may not have lived much longer anyway.

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Re: Killing a sleeping bear? What say you?
« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2010, 08:02:32 AM »
MY  :twocents:, Sounds like shooting fish in a barrel to me, someone said something about if the bear was sleeping in the woods would it have been "ethical", I'd say so. At least the bear had an opportunity to hear,smell and had what I call "fair chase." Not the way I would have done it but for the guy to think he's not going to continue to hear crap about out, he's sorely mistaken. He's gotta know he was toeing the line a little bit, he's gotta deal with it.

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Re: Killing a sleeping bear? What say you?
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2010, 08:25:47 AM »
I'm not quite sure what the big deal is? This bear was in a hole? So what?

According to the article the bear was not sleeping. Following the biggest bear track you have ever seen into a den and shooting him is a whole hell of a lot more impressive to me than having 10 dogs run him up a tree. He was no less "trapped" in this den than he would have been up a tree.

The only issue I saw reading the article was the whole flashlight incident.

 


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