using illumanock in Wa

[DBHAWTHORNE]

What I gather is you basically threw archery hunters who chose modern equipment under the bus. 

He wasn't an archery hunter! While we walked side by side from the parking lot to the Natural Resources building and talked about how our seasons had gone, he asked what weapon I hunt with and he looked down his nose disparagingly at me when I told him I was an archery hunter. "Oh," was his reply, like he'd stepped in dog poop. Then he whips out photos of his bull and tells me, "Well, I drew the multi-tag," when I asked him the same question about his method of hunting and says "I shot him with a bow." Then he goes inside and before the meeting was called to order, shows the pictures to any commissioner who would look and brags about the 90 yard shot. He threw archery hunters under the bus, Lowedog.

Wow.. that really burns. I don't even know what to say about that guy.

[DBHAWTHORNE]

Lets face it.
 The initial success rate might go up up by a hair. but it the long run if more deer / arrows are found then less deer might will get wasted if you cannot find them. Putting more deer back in the woods and more in the breeding pool...

I think the only success rate increase would be a few extra animals found. I definitely do not see a reason for us not to allow these. I can see the concern with other advancements and the effect the could have on the seasons..  but no these.

[Lowedog]

So what was this meeting about?  This guy just went to brag about his elk or what?  Sounds like someone you could take that 90 yard shot he bragged about and cut it in half.  

Anyway, I retract my statement about throwing archery hunters under the bus.  Sounds like you let the commissioner know that he doesn't represent the archery community.  

[Snapshot]

I am definitely starting catching your drift. I do still think the lighted nock should not be a concern in this but I think it is something we should ask ourselves anytime something comes on the table. If a proposition is something that truly could lead to higher success rates then we could be in for trouble.

What makes this so delicate is that the folks who are pushing for the change to the equipment rules say they want to keep the "no electronics" line in the sand, which is a very clear, concise and easy rule to enforce, but with this one "EXCEPTION" (Note: read that with a bit of a limp wrist and an inflection in your voice for full effect;  ). And when one EXCEPTION (see note above) is allowed for an electronice device it could pave the way for manufacturers of other electronice devices to try and push their product onto the "EXCEPTION" (see note above) list.

Allow me, please, to be facetious for a moment: Take the new broadhead with a laser light in its' tip, for example (I never thought I'd live to see the day). Wouldn't that be great for recruitment and bringing new hunters into our ranks? Heck, would anyone EVER have to practice? No! What a great advancement! They'd still have to pull the bow all the way back and be able to hold it and finger the release; so its just a tool that takes away that uncertainty of knowing where the arrow is going to hit, and it would mean fewer wounded/wasted animals; so who could argue?

[Snapshot]

So what was this meeting about?  This guy just went to brag about his elk or what?  Sounds like someone you could take that 90 yard shot he bragged about and cut it in half.  

Anyway, I retract my statement about throwing archery hunters under the bus.  Sounds like you let the commissioner know that he doesn't represent the archery community.  

It was an open WDFW Commission meeting; the type they have several times a year, during which some things that make the agenda for discussion warrents that a guy take time off of work and drive down there to make sure the commissioners get educated about the 'other' side of a particular issue.

In your third sentence I think a word was left out (an effect of the bourbon, I hope at this hour) and I don't understand your meaning. [If it was to suggest I'd be able to half the distance and hit the spot you'd be wrong: quarter the distance and then under perfect conditions I might take the shot.] Which reminds me, I've a Copper Ale waiting for me and so I"m going to say good night to all.

[WildWind1]

I guess I'm still waiting for someone from the lumenok camp to convince me why they should be allowed when there is NO advantage.  You get the EXACT same thing by using brightly colored fletching.  You recover no more or less animals with or without lumenoks, NONE what-so-ever.

FYI the  support has shifted for the lighted nock, and with all due respect, YOU do not get the same thing!!!!                 

[3Under]

Just not willing to let this one die, are you?

[Machias]

      

[RadSav]

I am not against them at all.  But, I do not see them improving success at all.  They are getting better in design, however they are all heavy making the need for heavier broadheads to achieve good FOC.  Most bowhunters are shooting too light a broadhead as it is.  Now add that additional weight to the back of the arrow and you've got serious problems in anything but the perfect weather conditions.

They are legal and superb to use as a tuning aide.  I now tune all my bows using lighted nocks at night or in a dark range.  Once they are flying perfect I replace with the lighter nock giving more FOC...sweat!

[boneaddict]

Had this same conversation (about FOC) around the campfire this weekend.     

[Machias Bowhunter]

"Take the new broadhead with a laser light in its' tip, for example (I never thought I'd live to see the day). Wouldn't that be great for recruitment and bringing new hunters into our ranks? Heck, would anyone EVER have to practice? No! What a great advancement! They'd still have to pull the bow all the way back and be able to hold it and finger the release; so its just a tool that takes away that uncertainty of knowing where the arrow is going to hit, and it would mean fewer wounded/wasted animals; so who could argue?"

I don't know how flat your arrow shoots but you could point that laser at the vitals and still miss!!! There are more factors in where a arrow is going to hit then where a bullet is going to hit. I don't see anything wrong with illumanocks, if they help someone see where they hit, it allows them to decide on when they need to look for their animal, it doesn't help them aim, hold the bow back or make them a better shot!!!!. I also saw someone who is against mechanical broadheads, if they allow us to be more accurate in our shot, isn't that more ethical then not? You don't take your broadheads to 3D shoots, you shoot your field tips, why make a change in the way that your bow shoots right at the start of hunting season? I know we all do it BUT isn't that taking a chance that something goes wrong and we get the wounded animal and the anti hunters pointing that that is why we shouldn't be allowed to hunt

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

It wouldn't be the first time that a television show was busted for using illegal tactics. Just ask Ted Nugent!!

he was on the qinault indian rez for that show and was fully legal.

[Button Nubbs]

It wouldn't be the first time that a television show was busted for using illegal tactics. Just ask Ted Nugent!!

he was on the qinault indian rez for that show and was fully legal.

It wouldn't be the first time that a television show was busted for using illegal tactics. Just ask Ted Nugent!!

he was on the qinault indian rez for that show and was fully legal.

It wouldn't be the first time that a television show was busted for using illegal tactics. Just ask Ted Nugent!!

he was on the qinault indian rez for that show and was fully legal.

probably refering to the deer baiting situation in cali

[Atroxus]

I am just baffled by the people who constantly complain about the availability of high tech products for hunters. I especially keep seeing this "slippery slope" argument used. Nobody is twisting your arm to use it. If you wanna hand-craft your bow and arrows nobody is stopping you from doing that either. I have a lot of respect for the skill it takes to hunt with a modern archery equipment, even more so for those people that are hard core enough to use traditional gear. It seems to me though, that a lot of "traditional" hunters want to force their hatred of technology on everyone else.

[buck man]

I am just baffled by the people who constantly complain about the availability of high tech products for hunters. I especially keep seeing this "slippery slope" argument used. Nobody is twisting your arm to use it. If you wanna hand-craft your bow and arrows nobody is stopping you from doing that either. I have a lot of respect for the skill it takes to hunt with a modern archery equipment, even more so for those people that are hard core enough to use traditional gear. It seems to me though, that a lot of "traditional" hunters want to force their hatred of technology on everyone else.

amen brother!