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Re: Hoof rot
« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2010, 10:44:46 AM »
I've not seen anything official about the further expansion of wolves in Western WA.  I haven't looked either.

You might read WDFW's wolf management plan if you have time. Go to this page and click on the link in the upper right:  http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/mgmt_plan.html

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Re: Hoof rot
« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2010, 12:39:53 PM »

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Re: Hoof rot
« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2010, 07:00:52 PM »
This leads to my other observation, I think the problem will resolve itself. Over the past couple years I have noticed less and less elk with the affliction than 2-3 years ago, yes I still see them but overall there are less of them. The biggest reason being hunter predation. The afflicted elk simply dont move as far or as fast as the healthy ones. Of the elk I have observed or seen killed with hoof rot all have appeared healthy in body size and weight, forage is plentiful and elk dont have to move alot to get adequate feed. They do to escape, or move distance in response to hunter pressure. So as the infected ( or defected) ones are harvested there is less and less spread.

I think your off the mark by a mile.Ive seen it to be more prevalent every year.Ive seen more elk than I care to count that are malnourished enough that they probably wont make it through the winter.Ive seen legal bulls with stunted horns that didnt even have the velvet rubbed off them.(also extremely malnourished)

Ive seen elk killed during hunting season that stunk so bad I wouldnt suggest anybody eat any part of it.

Ive seen it start in 1 small local area and spread for miles in every direction.I used to never see it east of I-5.Now I see a few cases every year.

Not every elk with hoof rot will be harvested.When I see herds with 40-50% infection rates.It tells me this is going to get much worse before it gets better.

Ive seen several elk that I would have shot,just to put out of their misery.If it werent for the ramifications.

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Re: Hoof rot
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2010, 09:19:43 PM »
where are you seeing these huge 40-50% infection rates?

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Re: Hoof rot
« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2010, 09:38:08 PM »
When farm animals get it you have to use antibiotics to get ride of it, or it gets worse and die from my experiance. It also can be spread from one animal to anthor from pens not being cleaned out and being in the muck all the time, it stays in the soil. Maybe the elk in the feed areas are passing it to each other?
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Re: Hoof rot
« Reply #20 on: December 26, 2010, 09:47:13 PM »
This leads to my other observation, I think the problem will resolve itself. Over the past couple years I have noticed less and less elk with the affliction than 2-3 years ago, yes I still see them but overall there are less of them. The biggest reason being hunter predation. The afflicted elk simply dont move as far or as fast as the healthy ones. Of the elk I have observed or seen killed with hoof rot all have appeared healthy in body size and weight, forage is plentiful and elk dont have to move alot to get adequate feed. They do to escape, or move distance in response to hunter pressure. So as the infected ( or defected) ones are harvested there is less and less spread.

I think your off the mark by a mile.Ive seen it to be more prevalent every year.Ive seen more elk than I care to count that are malnourished enough that they probably wont make it through the winter.Ive seen legal bulls with stunted horns that didnt even have the velvet rubbed off them.(also extremely malnourished)

Ive seen elk killed during hunting season that stunk so bad I wouldnt suggest anybody eat any part of it.

Ive seen it start in 1 small local area and spread for miles in every direction.I used to never see it east of I-5.Now I see a few cases every year.

Not every elk with hoof rot will be harvested.When I see herds with 40-50% infection rates.It tells me this is going to get much worse before it gets better.

Ive seen several elk that I would have shot,just to put out of their misery.If it werent for the ramifications.
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Re: Hoof rot
« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2010, 05:49:11 AM »
Hoof rot is a lack of minerals in the animals diet, specifically zinc. It is contagious and will kill the entire herd. Mineral blocks can help but antibiotics and a clean environment is the answer.
Wolves are not the answer or alternative, wolves don't stop once the sick animals are culled from the herd.

The infected animals should be put down to stop the spread... easy enough with volunteers...but after watching the deer die from hair loss I doubt the wdfw will do anything but use it as an excuse to introduce wolves.

The low land elk live near people...you want to run wolves around Toledo / Winlock area?? cmon... wdfw could easily handle this with help from hunters and landowners.

I agree with bow4elk...no wolves
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Re: Hoof rot
« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2010, 05:59:04 AM »
where are you seeing these huge 40-50% infection rates?

Take a drive down S military rd sometime.Or check out the herds around Vader,Ryderwood.
Somebody said it was genetic.Wouldnt calves be born hoofless,with elf hoof or the like if it was genetic.Ive seen a few year old elk with it.But not calves.

I read an article last year that said there are over 40 different kinds of hoof rot.Back then they recomended not eating elk with hoof rot.A few weeks later they changed their stance and recomended removing the affected quarter.

Also if if hoof rot is a lack of minerals.How could it be contagious.A lack of minerals in their diet could make them more vulnerable but I would think thats about it.

Once again its probably one of many contributing factors.Also,if it was a lack of minerals,why didnt I ever see hoof rot 15 or 20 years ago.I wouldnt think those minerals just disapeared about the time elk stated getting hoof rot.

Ive talked to dairy,and goat farmers who had animals with it.They told me they inject antibiotics directly into the affected are.Sometimes it worked.Sometimes not.

I dont think anybody really knows what caused it.Where it came from.Or how to cure it.
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Re: Hoof rot
« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2010, 06:41:57 AM »
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Re: Hoof rot
« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2010, 08:56:29 AM »
Couple observations I made:  Last year a local Coweeman river herd had almost no hoof rot I could see, this year close to 70% had it and it was horrible in some of the elk.  Later this year I seen them again, and many of the elk that had the long elf like hooves seemed to be better than they were this summer.  All the cows that were infected this summer still had calves, and from what I seen this winter, the offspring look good.  My buddy shot one of these elk a 2 or 3 year old rag horn and it had hoof rot.  3 of his hooves were a little longer than normal and the other was a short little stub.  I helped him butcher that elk and the meat all looked and smelled good.

I come up with questions from observing this 30+ elk herd.  Why did the elk look so much healthier this fall/winter than they did during the summer?  What happened to the elk feet that were long and elf like?(I seen none this winter).  Do they break or rot off after they get so big?  Is that why my buddys elk had one stub hoof?  Somehow the elk live and thrive with this condition.  The heard I have been watching is seen by many people, gets hunted pretty hard, constantly gets chased by pet dogs, has a horrible case of hoof rot, is getting pushed around by new developements and yet the number of elk in this herd is strong.

Hoof rot is a miserable condition for sure, and its just my opinion, but to me the condition and the damage doesn't look permanent.  Elk are tough and infected elk can recover from what I've seen.

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Re: Hoof rot
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2010, 09:13:33 AM »
Couple observations I made:  Last year a local Coweeman river herd had almost no hoof rot I could see, this year close to 70% had it and it was horrible in some of the elk.  Later this year I seen them again, and many of the elk that had the long elf like hooves seemed to be better than they were this summer.  All the cows that were infected this summer still had calves, and from what I seen this winter, the offspring look good.  My buddy shot one of these elk a 2 or 3 year old rag horn and it had hoof rot.  3 of his hooves were a little longer than normal and the other was a short little stub.  I helped him butcher that elk and the meat all looked and smelled good.

I come up with questions from observing this 30+ elk herd.  Why did the elk look so much healthier this fall/winter than they did during the summer?  What happened to the elk feet that were long and elf like?(I seen none this winter).  Do they break or rot off after they get so big?  Is that why my buddys elk had one stub hoof?  Somehow the elk live and thrive with this condition.  The heard I have been watching is seen by many people, gets hunted pretty hard, constantly gets chased by pet dogs, has a horrible case of hoof rot, is getting pushed around by new developements and yet the number of elk in this herd is strong.

Hoof rot is a miserable condition for sure, and its just my opinion, but to me the condition and the damage doesn't look permanent.  Elk are tough and infected elk can recover from what I've seen.

i've seen some killed where the whole hoof was rotted off, all they had was a stump. They also had the fever pretty bad and i wouldn't touch the meat. so while some might get over it i don't think all do. as far as the meat goes... it all depends on what stage of the sickness they are in. i don't think the meat is good when they are in the worst stage of it.
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Re: Hoof rot
« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2010, 10:06:35 AM »
The stubbed hoof

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Re: Hoof rot
« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2010, 10:11:34 AM »
All the hooves.  The meat looked, smelt and tastes good.  The bull had a slight limp. 

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Re: Hoof rot
« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2010, 10:14:15 AM »
The stubbed hoof

ya that doesn't look too bad. the really bad ones i saw didn't have any hoof left on the one leg it was nothing but a bloody nub and they were really sick looking.
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Re: Hoof rot
« Reply #29 on: December 27, 2010, 02:48:57 PM »
If WDFW introduces wolves to the Willapa Hills I swear to god I will never pay another dime to hunt anything in WA state ever again.

That is IDIODIC. They will have to pay 100X the amount of $ to get the wolves out or even under control in less than 7 years. Everything will suffer INCLUDING eventually the wolves themselves and other predatory animals in the area. Deer and Elk will be pretty much iradicated. Hell there are enough cats in the area to take care of any culling necessary. The cats/yotes/bears are doing well enough to get it done, if that doesnt work get the master hunters out there to dispatch the effected animals.

WDFW cannot be seriously thinking about this can they?!?!?
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