270 wsm or a regular 270????

[huntergreg]

I have been looking at these guns. I wanted to know your thoughts on the 2 and what you would prefer and why?
The 270wsm or a 270?  Looking to shoot around 300-500 yards if possible. I don't own any guns at the moment as i have been bow hunting for the last 10 years. 

[Straight Shooter]

FYI... Cabelas has the Vanguard in .270 WSM on sale.

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Weatherby174-Vanguard-Bolt-Action-Rifles/706374.uts?Ntk=AllProducts&searchPath=%2Fcatalog%2Fsearch%2F%3FN%3D%26No%3D20%26Ntk%3DAllProducts%26Ntt%3D300%2Bwsm%26Ntx%3Dmode%252Bmatchall%26WTz_stype%3DSP%26form_state%3DsearchForm%26search%3D300%2Bwsm&Ntt=300+wsm

[elkslayer069]

normal 270 you get an extra round and they are cheaper and you dont really gain much with the wsm

[carpsniperg2]

normal 270 you get an extra round and they are cheaper and you dont really gain much with the wsm

Well that's is not 100% true. Here is the run down on the 2. Say you are shooting a 130grain factory xp3 load. He said 300-500 yards.
Here is the differences.
And just so everyone knows i love both the cartridges! I own and shoot both. But the 270wsm is better when it comes to ballistics's

Both rifles sighted in at 100 yards 1.5" high

270win:  300yards -11"  1690FT-LBS/400y -25" 1433FT-LBS/500y -45.5" 1200FT-LBS

270wsm: 300 yards -8.5" 1970FT-LBS/400y -21" 1681FT-LBS/500y -38" 1426FT-LBS

So with the 270wsm you get a little better BC most of the time. The drop on the 270wsm is less 7.5" at 500yards. And about 200+ft-lbs more. I like the 270 win for less then 300 yards and the 270wsm for 300+ yards. Having one extra shell isn't to much of a gain. Shoul not take more then 3, well most of the time

GET THE 270WSM!

[jdb]

normal 270 you get an extra round and they are cheaper and you dont really gain much with the wsm

Well that's is not 100% true. Here is the run down on the 2. Say you are shooting a 130grain factory xp3 load. He said 300-500 yards.
Here is the differences.
And just so everyone knows i love both the cartridges! I own and shoot both. But the 270wsm is better when it comes to ballistics's

Both rifles sighted in at 100 yards 1.5" high

270win:  300yards -11"  1690FT-LBS/400y -25" 1433FT-LBS/500y -45.5" 1200FT-LBS

270wsm: 300 yards -8.5" 1970FT-LBS/400y -21" 1681FT-LBS/500y -38" 1426FT-LBS

So with the 270wsm you get a little better BC most of the time. The drop on the 270wsm is less 7.5" at 500yards. And about 200+ft-lbs more. I like the 270 win for less then 300 yards and the 270wsm for 300+ yards. Having one extra shell isn't to much of a gain. Shoul not take more then 3, well most of the time

GET THE 270WSM!

by bc do you mean ballistic coefficient?

[Straight Shooter]

normal 270 you get an extra round and they are cheaper and you dont really gain much with the wsm

Well that's is not 100% true. Here is the run down on the 2. Say you are shooting a 130grain factory xp3 load. He said 300-500 yards.
Here is the differences.
And just so everyone knows i love both the cartridges! I own and shoot both. But the 270wsm is better when it comes to ballistics's

Both rifles sighted in at 100 yards 1.5" high

270win:  300yards -11"  1690FT-LBS/400y -25" 1433FT-LBS/500y -45.5" 1200FT-LBS

270wsm: 300 yards -8.5" 1970FT-LBS/400y -21" 1681FT-LBS/500y -38" 1426FT-LBS

So with the 270wsm you get a little better BC most of the time. The drop on the 270wsm is less 7.5" at 500yards. And about 200+ft-lbs more. I like the 270 win for less then 300 yards and the 270wsm for 300+ yards. Having one extra shell isn't to much of a gain. Shoul not take more then 3, well most of the time

GET THE 270WSM!

buy bc do you mean ballistic coefficient?

Yeah, a .27 caliber bullet is a .27 caliber bullet... so, based on same bullet design/weight, they're equal.  The difference is that you will get better trajectory and energy (in a short action) with the more efficient short mag.

[high country]

so here is my take, I hunt remote 90% of the time and long shots pop up ever so often. I have a rem ti in 270win that is a shooter. I have taken many critters with it in the 300-500yd range. I love the gun because it is so light it is always in my hands, not on my shoulder. for some reason I wanted more poop, so I bought a 270wsm finnlight. aside fron a montana this is a slick a rifle as can be bought. I had trouble getting mine to shoot to my standards and I offed it, but that is besides the point. what I found is I carried exrta rounds in my pocket because the gun did not hold as many as my rem. I fretted feeding in a hurry as the short fats are not as slick as the winnie. I never had a feed issue, but know those that have. I spent days on the chrono and was just not seeing where 200fps is gonna do anything more for me. EVERY SINGLE .277 bullet made will work well at the 270 win velocity, wsm and close shots will make you wish you spent the $$ on premiums. 270 roy even more so. I have a system that allows me to shoot up to 450 yds and be within a MOA using my regular ol' 3-9 4200, the wsm will not change the fact that I will need to make corrections.....just different ones. what found was the wsm as a second gun was a total waste for me, because I know the 270 like the back of my hand. I am most deadly holding that very rifle. if you wee looking to an only rifle, eitherwould do you well, but the win is available in every hardware store in north america, should you need ammo, and it works well in a 22" gun that is lighter, handier, and carries more ammo down. really, the 270 win is as good a multi purpose round as has ever come along. I have a large selection of rifles to shoose from and I can tell you that 99% of my hero shots are taken with that gun.




but I am seriously considering a 270 or 257 roy on the next barrel.

[Armadillo]

the difference of 2.5 inches at 300 yards still puts you in the kill zone of an animal if using the 270, the rounds are cheaper and more available for the 270. The skill of the shooter is where all of the focus should be, do you plan on doing long range mostly? like for target shooting? those long range shots only pop up once in awhile

[400out]

I've never seen a 270 perform anyway other than like crap! wouldn't own one myself 

[270Shooter]

I've never seen a 270 perform anyway other than like crap! wouldn't own one myself 

Please explain, the mule deer I shot at 475 yards in montana sure didnt think the 270 was crap

[MuleDeerCrazy]

My dad shot a .270 Win. for years and killed lots of critters with it, and my buddy has a .270 WSM and I have also watched him kill a number of animals with it as well.  In my observations, their impact on animals is totally different, even at close range.  My dad would shoot a deer and would run down the hill a hundred yards and pile up dead... and that works, not knocking that.  My buddy would shoot a deer and it would flip it right over where it was standing, dead when it hit the ground.  That difference in impact is even more pronounced when shooting elk.

I know it's the same bullet, but the extra fps with the  .270 WSM seems to pack a lot bigger energy shock factor with it?  

[high country]

nor mine at similar range......with my pard bangin 3 300rums off at his, nary a scratch on that buck....lol.

when a guy gets a run of piss poor rifles, he must look beyond the rifle.

[Buckrub]

I have been looking at these guns. I wanted to know your thoughts on the 2 and what you would prefer and why?
The 270wsm or a 270?  Looking to shoot around 300-500 yards if possible. I don't own any guns at the moment as i have been bow hunting for the last 10 years. 

Deep subject....
One must first define which game animal is being hunted before blindly comparing the calibers mentioned...
personally.. I prefer a .30 cal for range of bullet and variety of game I can hunt with it... the .270 ca. limits you to special order 165 grain bullets (reloader only) .

When purchasing a tool why not get a tool that will work for all?

[BlackRidge]

I picked up the TC venture in 270 and its my go-to for sure, too accurate. The ammo was a dealbreaker for me, the wsm was too spendy for me both in OTC mfg's and handloads, and I was willing to take the hit on lb/force past 350 yrds. 270 rounds seem to be more readily available than the wsm, so picking up a box if needed wouldnt be an issue

 

I'd try to go with whatever you think will best suit your needs

[Bigshooter]

I've never seen a 270 perform anyway other than like crap! wouldn't own one myself 

Jack O'Connor seemed to like the .270 just fine.



I love both cartirges.  I have killed many deer and an elk with the .270 winchester.  And a bunch of deer with the .270 wsm.