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Use of rangefinders?
« on: January 04, 2011, 11:17:01 PM »
 Since we have all this talk on here about bowhunting, traditional seasons, baiting,illumanock, ethics etc... How about the use of range finders in archery.. I personally have one, not till 2 years ago. I bowhunted 18 years without one and boy do I wish I had one all those years. I feel a HUGE part of being a archer is the ability to range your game without the use of "electronics" to tell you how far things are, this is a skill, some are very good at it, it takes alot of practice and to me is a crucial part of being a bowhunter. I use to just hike and guess ranges of things then pace it off to see how close I was, did this for years and become very good at this by the time I was 20.  The use of range finders has extended my range dramatically!! I shoot my bow out to 100 yards during practice sessions, I am very confident in my range out to 60 yards on deer and 70 on elk ,now with the use of range finders I am able to take these shots, I now know the exact distance.These rangefinders have complimented todays high tech bows they are fast enough and accurate enough to kill game out past 100 yards, but there arent many hunters out there who would let a arrow go at 60 yards at a deer if they didnt know the exact distance. Back in the day there was not a chance I would shoot much past 40 yards unless I had marked off my distances in my treestand with markers so I would know. To me there is alot less game in the woods due to the use of these devices, yes there is the argument ethical clean kills, but to me this direclty aids hunters in harvesting of game animals. There are alot of big bucks that would be dead if I had one of these when I began my bowhunting career. It also makes me wonder why P&Y allows deer in the book with the use of these. This goes the same way with long range shooting of guns, people taking animals at 700-1000 yards, these animals are not dead if these hunters dont have accurate range finders. U can debate they could get closer and shoot,but alot of times u cant when they are shooting over canyons or mt sides. Whats your opinion on the matter?

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Re: Use of rangefinders?
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2011, 11:28:35 PM »
They are marvelous tools and I would not hunt without one.

I'm sure they have increased harvest.  I'm not sure they have decreased crippling and wounded shots, because some will use them as an excuse to shoot beyond their capable limits.
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Re: Use of rangefinders?
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2011, 12:03:26 AM »
Sounds like your nuts to me- for starters- bragging that you can shoot and elk at 70 yds with an arrow tells me your a dumb ass. Do you know how far an elk an move by the time your arrow gets to it? Completely and totally DUMB. Then you go on to imply rangefinders are unethical because they improve yearly harvest quotas. I'm willing to bet that because of the use of rangefinders- most hunters wound less game because they tag out after the first shot- unlike the guy that wounds 3 elk a year by taking 70 yard shots with his bow only to eat tag soup at the end of the season.
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Re: Use of rangefinders?
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2011, 12:05:55 AM »
yup I am a dumb ass.. 70 yards is my effectice range.. I am fully confident in my ability to 70.

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Re: Use of rangefinders?
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2011, 12:14:21 AM »
I take it that he can't get anything less than a 6" group at 30 yards?   :dunno:  70 yards on an elk (depending on the conditions) is completely do-able to someone who actually practices at ranges longer than from your front porch to the side of the house.  :rolleyes:

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Re: Use of rangefinders?
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2011, 12:29:18 AM »
10 Years ago I would say 40 yards.. but I practice alot. Now to get a 70 yard shot here in NE WA on a elk  :chuckle:

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Re: Use of rangefinders?
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2011, 12:51:32 AM »
Since we have all this talk on here about bowhunting, traditional seasons, baiting,illumanock, ethics etc... How about the use of range finders in archery.. I personally have one, not till 2 years ago. I bowhunted 18 years without one and boy do I wish I had one all those years. I feel a HUGE part of being a archer is the ability to range your game without the use of "electronics" to tell you how far things are, this is a skill, some are very good at it, it takes alot of practice and to me is a crucial part of being a bowhunter. I use to just hike and guess ranges of things then pace it off to see how close I was, did this for years and become very good at this by the time I was 20.  The use of range finders has extended my range dramatically!! I shoot my bow out to 100 yards during practice sessions, I am very confident in my range out to 60 yards on deer and 70 on elk ,now with the use of range finders I am able to take these shots, I now know the exact distance.These rangefinders have complimented todays high tech bows they are fast enough and accurate enough to kill game out past 100 yards, but there arent many hunters out there who would let a arrow go at 60 yards at a deer if they didnt know the exact distance. Back in the day there was not a chance I would shoot much past 40 yards unless I had marked off my distances in my treestand with markers so I would know. To me there is alot less game in the woods due to the use of these devices, yes there is the argument ethical clean kills, but to me this direclty aids hunters in harvesting of game animals. There are alot of big bucks that would be dead if I had one of these when I began my bowhunting career. It also makes me wonder why P&Y allows deer in the book with the use of these. This goes the same way with long range shooting of guns, people taking animals at 700-1000 yards, these animals are not dead if these hunters dont have accurate range finders. U can debate they could get closer and shoot,but alot of times u cant when they are shooting over canyons or mt sides. Whats your opinion on the matter?

great thread and post and i agree 100%.

ultimately, i think technology will kill us in the end as far as our hunting priviledges go.... and the biggest culpret, atleast in my opinion, is this frigg'n thing i am typing on. today, you can go online as a complete novice to hunting and within one year, have a darn good working knowledge of a specific species, where to start locating that animal, what tactics to use for that animal, what bow works best, how to shoot that bow, tune the bow ect ect.... then log onto google earth and virtually see the terrain before even stepping foot out there to locate lanmarks such as pinch points water ect. technology scares me in the world of hunting and what i fear that it will take away from us..... and "the nekid lady box" is numero uno on the list  as far as technological advances for hunters.

btw, calling someone a dumb ass because their proficiency with a weapon is superior to your level of "acceptable" limits is kind of counter-intuitive dont ya think?..... and this is coming from a stickbow guy.

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Re: Use of rangefinders?
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2011, 12:59:31 AM »
to me there needs to be a limit at some point, I use to do alot of leg work obtaining property to hunt and scouting, like u said google earth helps a ton. I now have a list of about 55 land owners to ask this spring, thanks to a wonderful website  :chuckle:  Trail cams have helped narrow down searches for particular deer, where in the past if ya wanted scout u had to get out and look! and spend countless hours in one area to " maybe" find what your looking for and then u run out of time. I now have several deer picked out in certain areas that I otherwise would of never had enough time to scout that many areas.

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Re: Use of rangefinders?
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2011, 01:08:06 AM »
Sounds like your nuts to me- for starters- bragging that you can shoot and elk at 70 yds with an arrow tells me your a dumb ass. Do you know how far an elk an move by the time your arrow gets to it? Completely and totally DUMB. Then you go on to imply rangefinders are unethical because they improve yearly harvest quotas. I'm willing to bet that because of the use of rangefinders- most hunters wound less game because they tag out after the first shot- unlike the guy that wounds 3 elk a year by taking 70 yard shots with his bow only to eat tag soup at the end of the season.

Man I love to debate people when I disagree but to go as far as calling one of our fellow huntingwashignton members a *censored* on the board...man that's uncalled for.

The great Fred Bear had no qualms with shooting game out to 60 yards with his recurve. Pope and Young shot animals out to 70 with their longbow. I guess you are calling the fathers of modern archery a *censored* as well?

I think animal posture/attitude is a factor that is overlooked.... especially on species that aren't as liable to jump the string as whitetail deer. If a guys has practiced to that range and the animal is calm and all other conditions are right I see not reason he can't take a shot to that distance. I personally don't but I am just not that good of a shot.
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Re: Use of rangefinders?
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2011, 01:11:15 AM »
Since we have all this talk on here about bowhunting, traditional seasons, baiting,illumanock, ethics etc... How about the use of range finders in archery.. I personally have one, not till 2 years ago. I bowhunted 18 years without one and boy do I wish I had one all those years. I feel a HUGE part of being a archer is the ability to range your game without the use of "electronics" to tell you how far things are, this is a skill, some are very good at it, it takes alot of practice and to me is a crucial part of being a bowhunter. I use to just hike and guess ranges of things then pace it off to see how close I was, did this for years and become very good at this by the time I was 20.  The use of range finders has extended my range dramatically!! I shoot my bow out to 100 yards during practice sessions, I am very confident in my range out to 60 yards on deer and 70 on elk ,now with the use of range finders I am able to take these shots, I now know the exact distance.These rangefinders have complimented todays high tech bows they are fast enough and accurate enough to kill game out past 100 yards, but there arent many hunters out there who would let a arrow go at 60 yards at a deer if they didnt know the exact distance. Back in the day there was not a chance I would shoot much past 40 yards unless I had marked off my distances in my treestand with markers so I would know. To me there is alot less game in the woods due to the use of these devices, yes there is the argument ethical clean kills, but to me this direclty aids hunters in harvesting of game animals. There are alot of big bucks that would be dead if I had one of these when I began my bowhunting career. It also makes me wonder why P&Y allows deer in the book with the use of these. This goes the same way with long range shooting of guns, people taking animals at 700-1000 yards, these animals are not dead if these hunters dont have accurate range finders. U can debate they could get closer and shoot,but alot of times u cant when they are shooting over canyons or mt sides. Whats your opinion on the matter?

great thread and post and i agree 100%.

ultimately, i think technology will kill us in the end as far as our hunting priviledges go.... and the biggest culpret, atleast in my opinion, is this frigg'n thing i am typing on. today, you can go online as a complete novice to hunting and within one year, have a darn good working knowledge of a specific species, where to start locating that animal, what tactics to use for that animal, what bow works best, how to shoot that bow, tune the bow ect ect.... then log onto google earth and virtually see the terrain before even stepping foot out there to locate lanmarks such as pinch points water ect. technology scares me in the world of hunting and what i fear that it will take away from us..... and "the nekid lady box" is numero uno on the list  as far as technological advances for hunters.

btw, calling someone a dumb ass because their proficiency with a weapon is superior to your level of "acceptable" limits is kind of counter-intuitive dont ya think?..... and this is coming from a stickbow guy.

Man you bring up a great point with the experience... I think guys now days gain experience at a pace that is extremely accelerated compared to what I learned on as a kid....and I can't even imagine before that time when there wasn't so many magazine articles written on specifically how to kill specific big animals. I read those books/magazines cover to cover dozens of times when I was a kid....still have some of them.
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Re: Use of rangefinders?
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2011, 01:16:16 AM »

The great Fred Bear had no qualms with shooting game out to 60 yards with his recurve. Pope and Young shot animals out to 70 with their longbow. I guess you are calling the fathers of modern archery a *censored* as well?


oh they shot much further than that.... much further..... and most of the time they just cared about getting an arrow into an animal so that they could slow it down to make a kill shot vs. making a clean one shot kill. running shots at 100+ yards were not uncommon and many of them are filmed. amazing how time has put a "rosey" haze over what "the greats" used to do.

the thing is, being "P.C." has somehow worked against us as to what "ethical" is...... or that there is a standard for all hunters/archers and anything outside that standard is taboo.

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Re: Use of rangefinders?
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2011, 01:22:30 AM »
DB- there is no question about that..... a good example is bow building. when i started 12 or so years ago, the net was, for all intents and purposes, in it's infancy. there was almost zero info on the topic and really, only a few books that were vague at best.

fast forward to today.... the site i sent you the link on is THE place for laminated bow building. when i created that forum on the site, very few guys were building other than pros but there was some interest. soon, there were a few hobby guys doing build alongs as well as some pros chiming in. now, guys can go from knowing nothing, to having the right tools and techniques from that site and create a bow that took me 50 or so to get to the same level through trial and error.

hunting is becoming the same way...... not that it is really a bad thing...... i'm just saying. ;)

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Re: Use of rangefinders?
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2011, 01:27:37 AM »
DB- there is no question about that..... a good example is bow building. when i started 12 or so years ago, the net was, for all intents and purposes, in it's infancy. there was almost zero info on the topic and really, only a few books that were vague at best.

fast forward to today.... the site i sent you the link on is THE place for laminated bow building. when i created that forum on the site, very few guys were building other than pros but there was some interest. soon, there were a few hobby guys doing build alongs as well as some pros chiming in. now, guys can go from knowing nothing, to having the right tools and techniques from that site and create a bow that took me 50 or so to get to the same level through trial and error.

hunting is becoming the same way...... not that it is really a bad thing...... i'm just saying. ;)

Man I checked out those bow builds. Awesome! I am already scoping them out for my first build which I will be starting in late May. Fortunately I am also going to have the assistance of one of those trial and error guys here in the local area who has been building bows for a little over 20 years.
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Re: Use of rangefinders?
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2011, 01:31:46 AM »
Shane...I agree...get rid of them... I know where my bait pile is...22 yards.  :chuckle:

I think they are great and don't want them to go away...but if guys want to get into the we are taking to many animals so we need to get rid of gear/hunting methods debate then I think a rangefinder would be one of the first things that need to come off of the list. I mean have you ever seen the people on TV??? They use them for every kill...or maybe they are just advertising. :chuckle:
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Re: Use of rangefinders?
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2011, 01:59:46 AM »
DB- would that be JD that will be helping you?

 


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