High Hunt Permit Only?

[nwalpineguide]

No crowds Here!

I'll be brutally honest, I enjoy the freedom to choose to hunt during the mid September season without the imposition of a lottery permit being forced upon me.

However, I understand that, like many things, the dynamics of managing a limited resource with a large, traditional user group may come at a price someday.

I expect change in some form or another in the next 10 years.


One things for certain, I don't envy those manager's of our wildlife resources who have the un-enviable task of finding the "middle ground" for 6.5 million Washington State citizens. Ok, I'll narrow that number down to a manageable 275,000. Perhaps that number represents the segment of our population made up of deer hunters.


Enjoy!

[Elkaholic daWg]

 What is it about us that is just fine with less opportunity? NO

 DFW doesn't need to take it away-fully 1/3 of us would GIVE IT AWAY. Comments???

[alecvg]

No crowds Here!

I'll be brutally honest, I enjoy the freedom to choose to hunt during the mid September season without the imposition of a lottery permit being forced upon me.

However, I understand that, like many things, the dynamics of managing a limited resource with a large, traditional user group may come at a price someday.

I expect change in some form or another in the next 10 years.


One things for certain, I don't envy those manager's of our wildlife resources who have the un-enviable task of finding the "middle ground" for 6.5 million Washington State citizens. Ok, I'll narrow that number down to a manageable 275,000. Perhaps that number represents the segment of our population made up of deer hunters.


Enjoy!

I love your high hunt pictures!  Keep them coming!

[nwalpineguide]

alecvg,

A sincere thanks for the compliment about the high-hunt pictures.

At most these images are a bashfull and modest attempt at ... stirring an ant pile or beating a hornets nest with a short willow switch (grin). But polls being polls I must respect the different opinions, nay facts, that some hold regarding the well stated purpose for this one. I suppose it was the vagueness of my brutal honesty regarding those onerous permits that confused some. For that I am eternally apologetic.

Actually, truth be told there is not too much interest in them as evinced by the cacophony cum slurry of private and public responses I've received. This, to my nascent posts.

My informal poll has it that 99.765 % hate them, find them lacking in subject matter, place, composition, lighting and artistry. Moreover, they find them utterly un-interesting. This fetching coy disinterest doesn't faze me in the least. I'm enured to rejection having been a Trail Blazer. What I found stimulating, in addition to the phone calls and e-mails is the following severe rebuke; don't I ever, and I mean ever, place another high hunt picture on this Forum again. Alas, I consider myself to have been counseled by Kings and Philosophers. Please forgive me. I can't bear the shame of a breach of Forum etiquette.

Odd thing though and I'm a tad confused trying to weave my way through the maze of the threads on this august web site. It seems that images of any merit are frowned upon. Who'd a thunk it?

Granted, and I proffer an apology to the devil, some believe that if not soon, then in the next twenty minutes my 2,345 Washington deer hunting hot-spots are going to be overrun by some variant of parasite that I  have yet to be aquainted with. By logical extension I suppose this applies to blurry images of lakes that I fish in the alpine that grow to adequate proportions (to borrow a phrase from my former Trail Blazer bretheren whom I led to perdition a few years ago). Shhh. I got a secret about those hot lakes too. In Idaho's Sawtooth Wilderness there is a couple of lakes nestled under the eastside of the North Raker peak that grow...well, head on in there and see for yourself. And in Snohomish county, should you stumble to the shores of Triad Lake, where I placed a modest 200 golden trout a few years ago, ...But I digress.

I wonder if it is internet information brokers...ah, hem, I mean hunters, or the deer I have to worry more about. Ergo, those trophy class bucks being so stupid, common and all. Surely they have not yet adapted (artificial as opposed to natural) to today's hunters and tactics. Nah.

What I really tire of; someone inadvertently pushing yet another trophy buck my way opening morning of the high hunt. Fair and sporting being what it is and all. I guess some think that it's unfair and un-sporting of me to be in wilderness at a good stand at 6,532 feet elevation, seven miles from the trailhead, and two basins over from the nearest one with any way trail or other in it, and have a buck pushed my way by them as they wander aimlessly below me. Yes, I suppose perhaps that it is a little un-sporting, like dynamiting fish at the base of the dam.

The remaining less than 1%. They found the images to be adequate.

Your humble servant,

nwalpineguide

[JimmyHoffa]

I like the pictures.  Honestly, I think you should worry more about photographers showing up in the areas before hunters.  I can go a week in the high country without seeing any hunters, just an occasional solo photographer or a small mountain climbing team.  I have people tell me they want to tag along, but when I start giving them basics of gear, miles, weather forecasts, and elevation they bail.  I drug one guy up and it was too much and he wanted to leave early, even though there were plenty of animals.

[Miles]

alecvg,

A sincere thanks for the compliment about the high-hunt pictures.

At most these images are a bashfull and modest attempt at ... stirring an ant pile or beating a hornets nest with a short willow switch (grin). But polls being polls I must respect the different opinions, nay facts, that some hold regarding the well stated purpose for this one. I suppose it was the vagueness of my brutal honesty regarding those onerous permits that confused some. For that I am eternally apologetic.

Actually, truth be told there is not too much interest in them as evinced by the cacophony cum slurry of private and public responses I've received. This, to my nascent posts.

My informal poll has it that 99.765 % hate them, find them lacking in subject matter, place, composition, lighting and artistry. Moreover, they find them utterly un-interesting. This fetching coy disinterest doesn't faze me in the least. I'm enured to rejection having been a Trail Blazer. What I found stimulating, in addition to the phone calls and e-mails is the following severe rebuke; don't I ever, and I mean ever, place another high hunt picture on this Forum again. Alas, I consider myself to have been counseled by Kings and Philosophers. Please forgive me. I can't bear the shame of a breach of Forum etiquette.

Odd thing though and I'm a tad confused trying to weave my way through the maze of the threads on this august web site. It seems that images of any merit are frowned upon. Who'd a thunk it?

Granted, and I proffer an apology to the devil, some believe that if not soon, then in the next twenty minutes my 2,345 Washington deer hunting hot-spots are going to be overrun by some variant of parasite that I  have yet to be aquainted with. By logical extension I suppose this applies to blurry images of lakes that I fish in the alpine that grow to adequate proportions (to borrow a phrase from my former Trail Blazer bretheren whom I led to perdition a few years ago). Shhh. I got a secret about those hot lakes too. In Idaho's Sawtooth Wilderness there is a couple of lakes nestled under the eastside of the North Raker peak that grow...well, head on in there and see for yourself. And in Snohomish county, should you stumble to the shores of Triad Lake, where I placed a modest 140 golden trout a few years ago, ...But I digress.

I wonder if it is internet information brokers...ah, hem, I mean hunters, or the deer I have to worry more about. Ergo, those trophy class bucks being so stupid, common and all. Surely they have not yet adapted (artificial as opposed to natural) to today's hunters and tactics. Nah.

What I really tire of; someone inadvertently pushing yet another trophy buck my way opening morning of the high hunt. Fair and sporting being what it is and all. I guess some think that it's unfair and un-sporting of me to be in wilderness at a good stand at 6,532 feet elevation, seven miles from the trailhead, and two basins over from the nearest one with any way trail or other in it, and have a buck pushed my way by them as they wander aimlessly below me. Yes, I suppose perhaps that it is a little un-sporting, like dynamiting fish at the base of the dam.

The remaining less than 1%. They found the images to be adequate.

Your humble servant,

nwalpineguide

Now you did it...   You might have to change your phone number and email after this one.

[Miles]

I suspect that the individuals having a hard time dealing with your previous posts will likely come unglued should they notice the link to your flickr account...

Nice pictures by the way.

[Skyvalhunter]

Mike didn't you plant Triad about 8 yrs ago? So those Goldens should be in their prime. But there is a fair amount of people that go there since there is a major trail into it. Nice pictures thanks for posting. So you are still a Trailblazer member I take it.

[nwalpineguide]

Lets see, I'll just open my 2006 TB Annual to page 114 and see what detail I can dredge up. Ah, here it is: that outstanding packer, thank you Aaron, Wendall, Bruce et al at ICOG, helped me perform, on behalf of the angling public and authorized by WDFW, a plant of 200 goldens on September 9th, 2006. I suppose that would make it five years ago. I never have been good at basic math.

Slow growing at that altitude and place, those goldens should be adequte in a year or two even though they are available to high-hunt and other folks now. Well, not exactly. I'll clarify and say they will be available this summer when the ice comes off. That plant took 51 hours door to door. An easy shag that one was compared to the Horse Lake plant I did the previous weekend when, then 70 year old, Jim Tobler about killed me trying to keep up with him carrying those 340 Whitneys. But I digress.

Sadly, and with fond memories, I left the Trailblazers in 2009 after serving as President (2008) and Chairman of the Board of Trustees.
Something like 8 years total planting lakes for the angling publics benefit. I couldn't serve two masters; my wife and small children coupled with the Trail Blazers, or, my wife and small children coupled with chasing trophy mule deer bucks. I chose the less interesting and challenging pursuit of the mulie bucks in the GPW.

Your obediant servant,

nwalpineguide

[Bearhunter]

nwalpineguy,

Do you know Larry Anderson in Mt. Vernon?  He is my guitar teacher / high lake fishing mentor!

[JackOfAllTrades]

And in Snohomish county, should you stumble to the shores of Triad Lake, where I placed a modest 140 golden trout a few years ago, ...But I digress.

Someone planted Enjar lake long before I ever got there. I was very appreciative for the weekend of fishing I spent there.

If you've never been thanked for planting any high lakes,  Here's a hand shake and public thank you.

-Steve

[Skyvalhunter]

One thing about planting lakes is it is very rewarding plus I was able to get to see more country. Then to continue to help out doing the surveys of the lakes as a Hi Laker for the WDFW is also rewarding.

[nwalpineguide]

Bearhunter, no I don't know Larry Anderson in Mount Vernon. I'm sure that there is alot I and others can learn from him though.

Attached is a bear back at you (grin).

MQ

[MtnMuley]

That's great of you guys!  Thanks.  As for the high hunt.  It would be ridiculous to me to make it a lottery style hunt.   Everyone says the deer move up high in the wilderness during the summers and fall and then start to migrate dwn to their wintering grounds in late fall.  Thus there is plenty of deer in each wilderness during the early seasons.  In my opinion, having the hunt open in the middle of September rather than in the beginning of September, saves the lives of many of the bucks there.  Basically, plenty of deer and plenty of opportunities for the devoted hard-working hunter.

[nwalpineguide]

Jack,

You are very welcome.

It has been my pleasure to volunteer and give back, just a tad, to a great high lakes resource for those 8 years. That delicate resource has been good to me since I was a small child and had a father that cared enough about his sons to take them backpacking and fishing.

Moreover, I have had the luxury of having stood on the shoulders of GIANTS when it comes to learning about and participating in planting trout in high lakes. An appreciative public is the only reward I  seek, well, I like to tussle with a large trout every once in a while also.

I have it on excellent authority (mine) that Enjar Lake was refreshed last year with 1200 mount whitney rainbow trout by a little known trout planting group called, by fortuitous chance, Alpine Trout Coalition. The area bio up your way authorized the plant last season and we completed the mission.

MQ