help me with my decision

[HighCountryHunter88]

so... saving my pennys but ive narrowed it down to either a 270 wsm or a 300 win. i will mainly hunt deer and bear with elk mixed in on occasion. i may be going on a trip for moose and caribou in a year or two so that kind of weighs in a little.. i keep going back and forth week to week. my buddy thinks that a 300 will have too much recoil and i wont be as accurate, he also says that a 300 is overkill for deer.. is the short mag enough with 140 accubonds or 130-150 tsx big enough for bigger game? im not recoil sensitive and i want a gun that i can absoultly knock down what i aim it at and not gona knock me down. im looking at tikka for 270wsm and either a rem xcr or browning a bolt for 300 win. what do you guys think i should do?

[OSCAR1987]

Tikka

The accuracy will come in handy and be effective on big game. A well placed shot is more lethal.
just my 

[hoyt2002]

I'd go with the 300wm. It is what your after by the sound of things. I beleave the ammo is cheaper too. the 300 is not overkill. Ive killed lots of deer with my 300 rum it don't do anymore damage than my 308 win. I can just shoot farther. My wife hunts deer with a 300wm and loves it. The 300 is a great bear/elk rifle too.

[ICEMAN]

IMHO, it depends on what else you have in the gun case. Sounds like you already deer and occasionally elk hunt. If you do, and you already have a lighter caliber, say a .270 or similar, I would go bigger and get the something in the .300 range. This way you will have more "options".

If I could spend your money for you I would get a .300RUM.  

[bod]

if you reload 270 wsm if you don't 300 win mag tikka or browning I have them both anf both are very accurate.

[HighCountryHunter88]

my deer rifle right now is a 6mm rem and i either muzzload or archery for elk depending on the state. so ive heard the tikka pack a little extra punch than other rifles because thire lighter, does the tikka in 300 win kick that much more than the same round in other brands?

[Rob]

If bigger game is in the picture for this rifle, go 300 WM or even better, look at 300 WSM...  you can choose different loads for smaller game with a 300 WM or 300 WSM.

[sakoshooter]

I'd recommend going with a .300 Win Mag, especially since you've got a 6mm in the gun cabinet already.

[gunnarnewt]

     I agree with the others.....Go with the 300. In the long run you'll be glad you did. If you're worried about recoil, some of the newer rifles come with those nicer recoil pads, and it's hardly felt. I've owned several Weatherbys and recoil has never been an issue with them. 

[jackelope]

If a 300 win mag is overkill for deer, then so is a 30-06 and a .308
There's no such thing as too dead so I'd go with the 300 win mag especially if you want to kill a moose with it. Not saying the 270 won't do it...just think that the 300 is better in that it will make them more deader more quicker.   .

If bigger game is in the picture for this rifle, go 300 WM or even better, look at 300 WSM...  you can choose different loads for smaller game with a 300 WM or 300 WSM.

What makes you want a 300wm over a 300wsm or viceeversee? Serious question...
The action length? because really thats about the only difference theoretically, isn't it?

Heck IMO if you're choosing between a 300 win mag or a 270 short mag why not just choose a 270...the ammo would be cheaper and whats the difference between the 270 and the 270wsm...cartridge dimensions and action length, right?

[6x6in6]

If a 300 win mag is overkill for deer, then so is a 30-06 and a .308
There's no such thing as too dead so I'd go with the 300 win mag especially if you want to kill a moose with it. Not saying the 270 won't do it...just think that the 300 is better in that it will make them more deader more quicker.   .

If bigger game is in the picture for this rifle, go 300 WM or even better, look at 300 WSM...  you can choose different loads for smaller game with a 300 WM or 300 WSM.

What makes you want a 300wm over a 300wsm or viceeversee? Serious question...
The action length? because really thats about the only difference theoretically, isn't it?

Heck IMO if you're choosing between a 300 win mag or a 270 short mag why not just choose a 270...the ammo would be cheaper and whats the difference between the 270 and the 270wsm...cartridge dimensions and action length, right?

[Curly]

You get more velocity out of the 270WSM than the standard 270 Win.

The 300WM will have more velocity than the 300WSM.

I agree.........no such thing as too dead. 

I'd go with 300WM..........except that those lightweight rifles you're looking at will likely kick quite a bit (even with the 270WSM).  Nothing wrong with the 270 Win for you use, but why not just get the Tikka or A-bolt in 30-06.?  That is what I'd go with if I were you...........30-06.

[jackelope]

You get more velocity out of the 270WSM than the standard 270 Win.

The 300WM will have more velocity than the 300WSM.

I agree.........no such thing as too dead. 

I'd go with 300WM..........except that those lightweight rifles you're looking at will likely kick quite a bit (even with the 270WSM).  Nothing wrong with the 270 Win for you use, but why not just get the Tikka or A-bolt in 30-06.?  That is what I'd go with if I were you...........30-06.

How much more either way?

[Caseyd]

According to the web. The 300 WM and 300 WSM would have the same velocity  

According to the web. The 270 WSM would be about 250ft/s faster then the 270.

[woodswalker]

300WM given that you already have a 6mm in the rack....one thing over the 270WSM...ammo is more likely to be on the shelf in Moosebutt, Outback, Northwest Territories Canada.

Also if you are worried about overkill on deer...never seen such a thing...Dead is DEAD...dead quicker is better...less tracking.  Start with 150 grain ammo and work up in weight. If you handload you can make some lighter recoil loads to get you started or buy Remington's Managed Recoil stuff.  Then get out and SHOOT SHOOT SHOOT...until you can HIT.

[Curly]

You get more velocity out of the 270WSM than the standard 270 Win.

The 300WM will have more velocity than the 300WSM.

I agree.........no such thing as too dead. 

I'd go with 300WM..........except that those lightweight rifles you're looking at will likely kick quite a bit (even with the 270WSM).  Nothing wrong with the 270 Win for you use, but why not just get the Tikka or A-bolt in 30-06.?  That is what I'd go with if I were you...........30-06.

How much more either way?

270WSM 130gr - 3,300 fps
270 Win 130gr - 3,000 fps

300WM and 300WSM are practically identical, but I just remember looking up ballistics years ago when I was trying to decide on a rifle and I decided on the WM partly because of more velocity.  300WM holds more powder, but the fat case of the WSM is more efficient so you can get almost identical velocity with less powder.

[Gringo31]

I always find myself going back to this table...

http://www.chuckhawks.com/rifle_trajectory_table.htm

The extra recoil, cost ammo etc..............is it worth 10-20 yards of flatter shooting at 300 yards?

[carpsniperg2]

Ouch 2 of my fave Cal's Hard to pick, I would probably have to say the 300 win mag myself. I love my 270wsm and it is a flat shooting sob. But like the bigger "weight" bullets in the 300win for larger game. Both have ammo that can be found at most sporting goods stores. Not a whole bunch of price difference in the loaded ammo as well. "if buying the same type and brand"

[ckr]

Go with the 300 win mag.  I have a Tikka  in this caliber and it will stop any animal you will come across.  The recoil is not as bad as people say.  If you hand load, you can go anywhere from a 100 grain up to a 220.  Very versatile.  Good luck

[HighCountryHunter88]

im leaning heavly for the 300 win, anyone have any 300's in newer models that they'd recomend? im in college so i dont have a million dollars to spend but  wouldnt mind saving a little more to get in the $800 to 1000$ range. im not really interested in anything less money than the tikka i really really like them but ive heard that the recoil on the 300s is more than other models due to weight?  , i dont like the vangards or ventures ect.

[Rob]

300 WSM has a bit less recoil than the 300 WM.  As far as trajectory, the 300 WM does not really pull ahead significantly until you get out past 300 or 400 yards which is beyond where most hunters want to be shooting.  And if you are a long range guy, then there are probably better options than either a 300 WSM or a 300 WM. 

In the table below, the 300 WSM has about 97% of the recoil velocity and about 92% of the recoil energy for the 300 WM which in my book is about the same, except note that the table is based on a 300 WSM that is 1/4 of a pound lighter.  In a rifle of the same weight, you probably start to notice the difference.

I suppose that brings up another point, the 300 WSM uses a shorter action so in theory the same rifle would be a bit lighter which is nice when you are in the field (but negates the recoil bene's)

They are basically the same though.  a real upsell for the 300 WM is that the ammo is easier to find and generally cheaper.

[carvermoe]

300 wsm tikka love mine

[Rob]

I pulled this info off the shooting times website:

Same 180 grain bullets, similar MV.

at 300 Yards, the 300 WM is shooting about .6 inches flatter than the WSM.  That extends to about 4 inches when you get to 500 yds.

[700xcr]

I have the Remington 700xcr in 270wsm. Shooting factory Winchester 150gr. Power Points I chronographed at 3200fps. with 1/2" groups at 100yds. It hits hard and very accurate. It has accounted for 6 mule deer so far from ranges 85yds. to 550yds so far. Only thing I have done with the rifle is adjusted to trigger down to 2Ibs. and installed a Wyatt's single stack magazine.

[hoyt2002]

I figured this one would get interesting. The 300 wsm vs. 300 wm debate. I really don't think you could go wrong with ether one really. Lots of good points for both.  

[Rob]

I really don't think you could go wrong with ether one really. Lots of good points for both.  

I say get one of each! 

I don't have a horse in this race, they are both great firearms.

[bobcat]

i want a gun that i can absolutly knock down what i aim it at and not gona knock me down. im looking at tikka for 270wsm and either a rem xcr or browning a bolt for 300 win. what do you guys think i should do?

30-06

[C-Money]

i want a gun that i can absolutly knock down what i aim it at and not gona knock me down. im looking at tikka for 270wsm and either a rem xcr or browning a bolt for 300 win. what do you guys think i should do?

30-06

Hard to beat the 30-06 for what you are wanting to do. The 270wsm will work just fine, as will the 300wm. If you are not recoil sensitive, go for the 300. The 30-06 would be a great choice though. Guy Eastman shot his bull in Nevada last year at 400 and some odd yards with his 270wsm, that bull did'ent go far.

[Curly]

i want a gun that i can absolutly knock down what i aim it at and not gona knock me down. im looking at tikka for 270wsm and either a rem xcr or browning a bolt for 300 win. what do you guys think i should do?

30-06

   That's what I said, too.  Sounds like 30-06 would be perfect for what he is going to want the rifle to do.

[Rob]

I always tell people if they want one rifle for North America, get a 30.06 Springfield.
If they want two rifles, get a 270 WM, and either a 300 WM or a 338 WM.  
If they want three rifles, add a 22.250 or 223 to that list.

A guy with a 22.250, a 270 WM and a 338 WM can kill anything on the planet effectively and legally except for the big DG like Buff or elephant...  And Ammo will be affordable and easily available as they need it.

[groundhog]

The 30-06 would do the job but I am partial to the 300WM.
If a guy could only have four rifles I think these four would do nicely, 22-250, 270, 300 wm, 375. 

[JackOfAllTrades]

If a guy could only have four rifles I think these four would do nicely, 22-250, 270, 300 wm, 375.

My four cartridge choice would be:

243 is a screamin varmint round in lighter bullets. Yes, a little overkill than the 223 or 22-250, but very versital and still great for Pronghorns up through Deer.

30-30win. Everyone should own an iron sighted brush gun. Substitute 308Marlin.

30-06. Will kill anything in Washington and not beat you to death doing it. Substitute 308win.

338winmag. For the times you want something a bit bigger than the venerable ought - Six.

With the exception of 308Marlin, each of these is plentiful on store shelves everywhere.

To answer the OP, I would go with 30-06ai.

Funny, that some would mention recoil and accuracy. The two have nothing to do with each other. NOTHING!

-Steve

[CAMPMEAT]

300 mag in a T/C Encore. Then you can buy different barrels alot cheaper than buying more rifles. Bergara barrel is what I have in the 300 mag. 22-250 T/C barrel both 26 inches.

[HighCountryHunter88]

i like the 06 but my dad has one and since one day ill probably inherit his gun collection I'm kind of trying to expand the caliber selection. i have an op pertunity to buy a weatherby backcountry in 300 wby with only a box ran through it for $600 from a buddy but i think the recoil will be pretty harsh in light gun like that. ive heard in terms of recoil the weatherby is alot more recoil than the win mag.

[JackOfAllTrades]

im not recoil sensitive and i want a gun that i can absoultly knock down what i aim it at and not gona knock me down.

Hmm....

And ammo for a Weatherby costs a whole lot more.

So.. How long before you inherit that gun collection from pops?  I mean... You're not pushin him in the grave, right? When you get his guns, maybe you'll pass yours on to your son/daughter or sell yours for something different. Until then, you'll be shootin the ole ought-six for years for a whole lot cheaper than you would be a magnum or Weatherby mag..

-Steve

[jackelope]

I'd buy that Roy in a heartbeat.
 
You're not gonna plink with it, right? I see backcountry mule deer when I see that rig.
 

[HighCountryHunter88]

LMAO.. no definatly not pushing him to his grave, then id be out a hunting partner. Ive shot 06's and ive hunted with it a couple times, im just not wild about it. i dont know why, i know it can do anything ill need it to do   maybe im just jonezing for somthing i dont already have access to haha.. i can always barrow my dads 06 but no one i know has a 300 win haha!!

[HighCountryHunter88]

I'd buy that Roy in a heartbeat.
 
You're not gonna plink with it, right? I see backcountry mule deer when I see that rig.
 

ya im thinking about it he's bringing it back from mt next month and im gona shoot it to see how it feels before i do anything

[JackOfAllTrades]

You hit a deer inside 100yds with a 300Roy; Get ready for some hamburger.

@100yds, that 300Roy is ~500fps faster than the same bullet/weight from a 30-06.

Sure, it'll kill, but it sure will damage meat too.   Don't get me wrong, I like several Weatherby cartridges.  But the 300Roy is not for the 'one gun' hunter.

Identify the game, terrain, expected shooting distances, then choose the cartridge/bullet/rifle.

-Steve