My sons first Black Tail in 2009. We call it a 3x2 3" by 2" on the spikes. IMO the perfect first deer for him. This past year I took away his scoped 243 (he was getting a little uppity on being a good shot) gave him a model 94 to shoot, back to the iron sights. I now must admit to him he knows how to shoot. Next year he claims he is going for a 3 point. Wants to add a point a year..