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[MtnMuley]

I was told that if a bow shoots a real fast speed as advertised, it would be illegal in Washington State. Is that true ?

No.  You need to follow the WA state requirements for grains though, which might slow it down a little.

[vaz,,66]

Question. I bought a bow last year and questioned about these high speeds you see on TV. I was told that if a bow shoots a real fast speed as advertised, it would be illegal in Washington State. Is that true ?

The IBO speed for allmost any bow usually been taking with 30in draw  70lb and approximately 315-330gr arrow just to advertise a bow. According to the regulation in our state it is illegal to use a such  lite arrow with 70lb that's mean you will have to use approximately 420gr witch will reduce your speed. An example I have Z7 IBO 333 ft/sec.  my setup is 28in 70lb and arrow i use weight 420 gr and the speed i have is 285ft/sec

[CAMPMEAT]

That's what I thought. Just learning about this bow stuff. Thanx.

[BULLBLASTER]

Question. I bought a bow last year and questioned about these high speeds you see on TV. I was told that if a bow shoots a real fast speed as advertised, it would be illegal in Washington State. Is that true ?

The IBO speed for allmost any bow usually been taking with 30in draw  70lb and approximately 315-330gr arrow just to advertise a bow. According to the regulation in our state it is illegal to use a such  lite arrow with 70lb that's mean you will have to use approximately  around 420gr witch will reduce your speed. An example I have Z7 IBO 333 ft/sec.  my setup is 28in 70lb and arrow i use weight 420 gr and the speed i have is 285ft/sec

bows are tested for IBO speed at 30 inch draw 70 lb and 350 grain arrow... or 5 grains per pound

[vaz,,66]

bows are tested for IBO speed at 30 inch draw 70 lb and 350 grain arrow... or 5 grains per pound

   Doesn't change the whale idea anyway

[Matt]

This bow has been hyped but no one has actually seen it or verified such speeds.

If infact it comes within 30fps of what Richard posted I garanty that 99.9% of archers on this site couldn't shoot it accurately with a BH.  Even the mighty Mr. Alwine couldn't accurately shoot it.  Speed is not the holy grail of archery.  When will people get it through their heads that the animal that you are aiming at desirves that you place that arrow with the best accurace that you can muster.  Shooting at a dot on a bail in your back yard doesn't make you an accurate hunter either.  Speed is nice and anything in the 270-300 fps (hunting set ups) range is more than adiquate. 

I haven't seen this bow or any other bow that is made by Lakota.  I am sure that they are decent but a bow with an IBO speed rating of 390fps will end up in the same place that the Black Max, Black Knight and whatever the name of that High Country bow was.  Why is that because the only reason folks bought them was because of their IBO rating, they soon found out that they weren't very forgiving.  There are a ton of bows out there that are fast enough and are very forgiving.

[Sliverslinger]

This I'd have to see.

[Button Nubbs]

This bow has been hyped but no one has actually seen it or verified such speeds.

If infact it comes within 30fps of what Richard posted I garanty that 99.9% of archers on this site couldn't shoot it accurately with a BH.  Even the mighty Mr. Alwine couldn't accurately shoot it.  Speed is not the holy grail of archery.  When will people get it through their heads that the animal that you are aiming at desirves that you place that arrow with the best accurace that you can muster.  Shooting at a dot on a bail in your back yard doesn't make you an accurate hunter either.  Speed is nice and anything in the 270-300 fps (hunting set ups) range is more than adiquate. 

I haven't seen this bow or any other bow that is made by Lakota.  I am sure that they are decent but a bow with an IBO speed rating of 390fps will end up in the same place that the Black Max, Black Knight and whatever the name of that High Country bow was.  Why is that because the only reason folks bought them was because of their IBO rating, they soon found out that they weren't very forgiving.  There are a ton of bows out there that are fast enough and are very forgiving.

the black max has an ibo rating of 330+ and the black knight has an ibo rating of 350. the bows of today can reach speeds of 350 and most companies are producing bows that are WAY faster than 330. why do you say it will end up in the category of these bows? there are tons of people that can shoot deadly accurate with bows of these speeds. hell, there are people out there who cant shoot very accurate with a bow that is shooting 260 or slower.

why should a company produce a bow with a slower ibo speed? the goal of a business is to make money and guess what, just like sex, speed sells, like it or noit thats the way it is. until people stop feeding into the "speed craze" companies will not stop trying to create the fastest bow.

do your thing grandpawrichard! i hope you proove all the haters wrong and make a ton of cash!

[vaz,,66]

There is a many reasons why ppl looking for a speedy bow, the problem is for now that to have a speed you need to sacrifice forgiveness like brace height but I'm absolutely sure the will find the way to get bow speedy and forgiven at the same time and I'm waiting for that.

[Lowedog]

Almost every manufacturer now has a bow in the 330-340 ibo range with a 7" brace that are very forgiving and accurate.   Todays bows are amazing compared to what we were shooting even 5-6 years ago. 

[Matt]

I am not doubting any bows speed ability.  I am doubting that the majority of hunters that look at the IBO rating before any other spec can't keep a fixed blade broadhead in the kill zone at 50 yards.  I am not talking about the guy that goes to tournaments every weekend and shoots a 100+ arrows a day practicing.  I am talking about the average hunter.  I am not putting anyone down either.  I am just stating a fact. 

The ability to shoot is just one aspect.  For every 10fps an arrow tipped with a fixed blade travels above 270 fps makes bow tuning and arrow tuning much more critical.  I know some of the best archers in the world and none of them choose a hunting bow based on speed.  And a good % of those don't shoot faster than 280fps with a hunting rig.  In fact most 3-D guys that are shooting the IBO standard don't come close to finishing in the top 3 at a marked yardage shoot because they can't control the speed.  That's a fact.  There is a point where a compromise is a must.

Lakota is appealing to the speed crowd.  Good for them and I wish them luck.  But I will bet that this particular bow will not take the archery world by storm.  It's a tough market out there and saying that your bow can shoot 396 IBO will definately sell a couple bows.  I would love to try this bow and see for myself.  And if it is all that and jam too then I would be the first to tell people.

Just for the record I am not bashing.  I want hunters to hit the woods with quality equipment that they can confidently and ethically harvest game with.  I spend almost the whole month of August helping guys shoot better for hunting season and I see way too many hunters out there that are way over bowed for their ability.  Like I said before.  We owe it to the animal to make the best shot possible. 

[dreamingbig]

This bow has been hyped but no one has actually seen it or verified such speeds.

If infact it comes within 30fps of what Richard posted I garanty that 99.9% of archers on this site couldn't shoot it accurately with a BH.  Even the mighty Mr. Alwine couldn't accurately shoot it.  Speed is not the holy grail of archery.  When will people get it through their heads that the animal that you are aiming at desirves that you place that arrow with the best accurace that you can muster.  Shooting at a dot on a bail in your back yard doesn't make you an accurate hunter either.  Speed is nice and anything in the 270-300 fps (hunting set ups) range is more than adiquate. 

I haven't seen this bow or any other bow that is made by Lakota.  I am sure that they are decent but a bow with an IBO speed rating of 390fps will end up in the same place that the Black Max, Black Knight and whatever the name of that High Country bow was.  Why is that because the only reason folks bought them was because of their IBO rating, they soon found out that they weren't very forgiving.  There are a ton of bows out there that are fast enough and are very forgiving.

Well said!  I wouldn't consider shooting this bow.  At 6" brace height and that speed you are going to have a heck of a time tuning and shooting it accurately.  Good luck.

[Lowedog]

I am not doubting any bows speed ability.  I am doubting that the majority of hunters that look at the IBO rating before any other spec can't keep a fixed blade broadhead in the kill zone at 50 yards.  I am not talking about the guy that goes to tournaments every weekend and shoots a 100+ arrows a day practicing.  I am talking about the average hunter.  I am not putting anyone down either.  I am just stating a fact. 

The ability to shoot is just one aspect.  For every 10fps an arrow tipped with a fixed blade travels above 270 fps makes bow tuning and arrow tuning much more critical.  I know some of the best archers in the world and none of them choose a hunting bow based on speed.  And a good % of those don't shoot faster than 280fps with a hunting rig.  In fact most 3-D guys that are shooting the IBO standard don't come close to finishing in the top 3 at a marked yardage shoot because they can't control the speed.  That's a fact.  There is a point where a compromise is a must.

Lakota is appealing to the speed crowd.  Good for them and I wish them luck.  But I will bet that this particular bow will not take the archery world by storm.  It's a tough market out there and saying that your bow can shoot 396 IBO will definately sell a couple bows.  I would love to try this bow and see for myself.  And if it is all that and jam too then I would be the first to tell people.

Just for the record I am not bashing.  I want hunters to hit the woods with quality equipment that they can confidently and ethically harvest game with.  I spend almost the whole month of August helping guys shoot better for hunting season and I see way too many hunters out there that are way over bowed for their ability.  Like I said before.  We owe it to the animal to make the best shot possible. 

Lakota lists their speed bow at 355 IBO not 396.  GPR stated that the arrow used to shoot that 396 that was pictured was not an IBO weight arrow.  Lots of companies have bows rated in the 350 range and lots of people shoot them very accurately.  There are guys who want the fastest thing out there and that is fine.  Blaming poor accuracy on archers that don't practice enough on speed alone is kind of ridiculous.   The same guy who doesn't pick up his bow until hunting season is going to shoot poorly no matter how fast it is. 

Take into consideration also that no one in WA is allowed to shoot an IBO weight arrow for hunting.  Most of the bows rated in the 330-340 range are shooting in the 290's-300's range when shooting with WA legal arrows. 

I hunt with a Destroyer 340.  For me it is the most accurate bow I have owned and I have owned a bunch in the last 5 yrs or so.  My hunting set up is around 305fps and it tunes and shoots very easily.  I keep in practice but I don't shoot every day.  Sometimes I may go weeks without shooting.  I can still pick this bow up and shoot very accurately with it with BH's.  This bow shoots 15-20fps faster than the last couple bows I hunted with and I shoot BH's out to 70 yards much more accurately with this bow than I did with the slower bows.  Maybe it is because the D340 is so easy to tune to perfection but whatever it is, it is fast, accurate and forgiving all at once.   So it is possible to have those 3 attributes in a bow. 

[TheHunt]

Got to love the haters...

Most people like speed for one thing...  You distance judging starts to become a non issue.  When I had an 80 lb X 30 inch draw I had one pin for 10 - 50 yards and my second pin was from 60 - 80 yards.   That is what the haters do not like.   Having two pin's for all your hunting needs is nice. 

[Lowedog]

Matt shoots a bow rated at 340 IBO.  http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,74046.0.html

I am sure he shoots very deadly accurate with it but he comes across like only guys with his types of skills can shoot one competent enough to hunt with one.